Posted on 01/16/2011 5:57:32 AM PST by restornu
The Most Correct Book: Joseph Smith's Appraisal of the Book of Mormon
Robert L. Millet; he who is built upon the rock will we receive this work with gladness.
Much has been said and demeaning about bro Millet
...separating the wheat from the chatter of the tears!
I could not leave without leaving these words of bro Millet
Understand the words such as precepts, the word “most correct’ and how it was used in the 1800's, things of God are only known by the power and spirit of God, the truthfulness and much much more...
Most importantly again he who is built upon the rock receive this work with gladness
The Book of Mormon was met for the children of today and the thing of most worth was preserved.
The Book of Mormon is not on trial it is the people and the members of today and how they treat and what they do with the Book of Mormon.
My post was in case you did not want to see RF threads at all.
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Office of First President & Living Prophet®: December 15th, 2010 The word for January is -
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And so does RESTY's world.
Stop omitting and playing with words!
You are getting confused again!!
Joseph Smith is NOT replying in this thread! (Other than by proxy)
John 14:6
Jesus answered,
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Uh...
You spelled DEMONIC wrong.
RESTY!!!
Quit listening to DEMONS!
That is a LIE!
Poor, deceived RESTY!!!
What did Joseph Smith 'learn' that was CLAIMED to be UNTRUE about Presbyterianism?
Can't you recognize Paragon Defenseless when you meet him?
Sane people do not listen to the demons sitting on their shoulders.
So many cling dearly to the temporal language of the world and have little regards for the Language of the Lord!
I agree with much of what you said, but there was never any phyiscal cross used during the times of the Apostles.
But you AGREED with it; so NOW you're stuck with the albatross around YOUR neck.
Wonder no more, Decieved one; tghere were LOTS!!
But, the BIBLE was a compilation of LOTS of separate letters and books; NONE of which were claimed to be 'the most CORRECT BOOK ever'!
I'll post how the BoM was 'translated' and see the TESTIMONY of WITNESSES about how CORRECT it was, flowing from JS' lips!
"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."---Joseph Knight's journal.
"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.
"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.
In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:
"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."
"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)
In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)
Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"("A New Witness for Christ in America,"Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)
"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.
...in your mind anyways! LOL
...there was NEVER a Physical symbol during the times the apostles were on earth ...
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you are consistant as an editor leaving out vital words such as ...there was NEVER a Physical CROSS symbol or They did use the sign of the FISH!
Lurkers need to pay attention to your foolery!
the would-be megalomaniac
Trying to make it personal, Resty. You’re just so sweet ... NOT.
By the way, Resty, in the catecolms under Rome the Cross symbol and the fish symbol are prominent on burial vaults. Are you certain not a single one of those avults dates to the time of the lives of the Apostles? ... Be careful before you answer, your mormonism feeders are not as great a scholars as you assume.
By the way, Resty, in the catacombs under Rome the Cross symbol and the fish symbol are prominent on burial vaults. Are you certain not a single one of those vaults dates to the time of the lives of the Apostles? ... Be careful before you answer, your mormonism feeders are not as great a scholars as you assume.
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