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Catholic Doctor Explains Native American Prayer He Delivered at Arizona Memorial
CNS News ^ | 01/15/2011 | Pete Winn

Posted on 01/15/2011 10:49:06 AM PST by RnMomof7

Dr. Carlos Gonzales delivering a Native American blessing at Wednesday's memorial service at the University of Arizona. (CNSNews.com) -

Wednesday night’s memorial service for the shooting victims in Tucson did not open with a prayer from a Jewish rabbi, a Protestant minister or a Catholic priest--it began with a Native American “blessing” that left many puzzled about what it meant and why it was performed.

The prayer, which did not use the word "God" and did not make the traditional request for God’s comfort for the bereaved that many might have expected, did mention the Creator and called for "honoring" the Seven Directions, including “Father Sky” and "Mother Earth”--and remembering our "fellow creatures" who "crawl on the earth” and “slither on the earth.”

The blessing was presented by Dr. Carlos Gonzales, an associate professor at the University of Arizona College of Medicine. “I was asked by the university to give a traditional Native American blessing,” Gonzales told CNSNews.com late Thursday. “This is the type of blessing that we give at memorial services to open up a ceremony. A medicine man will do a variation of it to open up a pow-wow. It’s basically a recognition of the powers of the seven directions and how they influence human beings--and how each direction has a certain characteristic; that when you pray to that direction, you ask for the inspiration that comes from that direction.”

The eight-minute oration Gonzales prayed Wednesday night before a crowd of more than 14,000 at the University of Arizona’s McKale Memorial Center may have sounded strange to many Americans. Holding an eagle feather, the physician and professor began by introducing himself--at length.

“On my mother’s side I am Mexican, a child of the descendents of a pioneer family from Mejico, that came in the 1800s. On my father’s side, I’m Yaqui, refugees from Mexico that escaped the genocide of the Pascua Yaqui in the 1800s. For myself, I am fifth generation in the valley of Tucson.”

Gonzales then gave honor to the various directions of the compass: “Let’s begin by honoring the eastern door, from where we get visions and guidance. May each of us get the vision and guidance to proceed in a good way,” Gonzales prayed. He also asked for strength from “Father Sky,” which he called the “masculine energy,” and “Mother Earth,” the “feminine energy.” “O Creator, may the two energies, the masculine energy and the feminine energy, come together in our center where the Creator exists. For each of us has a piece of the Creator. Please, you have given each of us a gift. May we use these gifts to help our fellow human beings,” he prayed.

Gonzales' prayer also mentioned ancestors and said "let us not forget our fellow creatures," including “those that stand,” “those that blow in the wind,” “those that are tall and stately,” “those that crawl on the earth,” and “those that slither on the earth” and “those that live under the Earth,” as well as two those who swim in water and fly in the sky.

In an interview Thursday with CNSNews.com, Gonzales explained the meaning behind what he was doing in the blessing. “The seven directions are basically the cardinal directions, Father Sky, which is up above us, and Mother Earth, which is down below us, and the seventh direction, which is the center, where the Creator exists,” he told CNSNews.com.

“It’s basically a way of acknowledging God’s Creation, and it’s a way of acknowledging by honoring those cardinal directions and what they have to say to us,” he added. “For example, the east is where the sun comes up in the morning, and as the sun comes up, it lights the path of the world, therefore the East is seen as having the power to guide us and to give us vision and to help us through as we walk on this earth.”

It would be a mistake, however, to call the Native American beliefs he was expressing a religion, Gonzales said.
“It’s not truly a religion, it’s more of a way of appreciating spirituality,” Gonzales told CNSNews.com. “I’m Yaqui and Yaquis have been Roman Catholics since 1650. We were one of the first tribes in Mexico to actually peacefully absorb Catholicism; however we have always practiced Catholicism in our own unique manner, incorporating traditional beliefs, and so I grew up as a Roman Catholic with a Yaqui variation.”

“In reality, I’m Catholic, but the spirituality I’ve come across with traditional healers is one of the most beautiful things I’ve seen, and it’s a way of approaching people and it’s an additional way of healing that has actually helped me to be a better family doc.”

None of the victims of the Tucson massacre were known to be Yaqui. Moreover, no rabbi, Catholic priest or Protestant minister, the known religions of the victims, was included in the memorial program.

Gonzales said the idea for a Native American blessing came from University of Arizona President Robert Shelton. “President Shelton has a Native American advisor here at the university to deal with American Indian health policies in Arizona, and he asked her if someone could come and do a traditional blessing,” Gonzales told CNSNews.com. “She’s heard me do these blessings before in other places, and so she recommended my name.”

The invitation to pray came late Tuesday, and he accepted. “The way we believe, and the traditional way, is that if somebody asks, you cannot refuse, so I accepted.”

Gonzales repeated that he is not a shaman or medicine man, and had to obtain permission from tribal elders to do what he did “I’m just a regular MD. I teach family medicine here at the College of Medicine, but what’s happened is that in my path towards getting a better appreciation of healing and healing knowledge, I’ve actually interacted with medicine men to see how they approach people who are ill and unwell. So I’ve learned a lot of their philosophy of healing and their philosophy of life,” he said. Gonzales, meanwhile, said the “Creator” he mentioned in the prayer is “whoever your particular denomination deems to be the important entity.”

“For Native Americans, it’s the Creator of the Universe,” Gonzales said. “In Christian denominations, it would be God.” A Different Reality

Dr. Angela Tarango, a religious studies scholar at Trinity University in San Antonio, Texas, explained that Gonzales’ prayer may have sounded strange to the uninitiated, but was actually very much in keeping with traditional Indian blessings.
“In traditional native religion, there is a sense that the world needs to be balanced,” she told CNSNews.com. “It needs to be in sync with everything. And when something terrible happens, it needs to be rebalanced properly.”

Tarango also defended Gonzales' lengthy autobiographical introduction by saying that traditional Native American culture demanded it.
“You have to do that in native culture. When you come in, you don’t just come in, not saying who you are. You have to say where you come from. Outsiders who work with native people understand this. They have to say, ‘I am so and so, and I am from so and so people.’ It’s a sense of what peoples you are from. There is no question, she said, that Native American spirituality is different. In it, one opens spiritual “doors” to go through to different “realities” in the natural world.
“In the native view of the world there is no heaven and no hell. So when you die, you go on to be with your ancestors in the next world, which is a lot like the world that you leave, but it’s a lot nicer, and you’re there with the spirits of your ancestors. That’s what he’s saying, that in some sense that the ancestors greeted the spirits of these people that passed away and have taken them into the spirit world,” she added.

Gonzales, meanwhile, said his invocation was simply a way “to bring positive energy into a gathering of that type.” “I wasn’t trying to give a lecture to anybody,” he said. “It was a prayer. It was simply a prayer.”


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: arizona; confusion; fake; giffords; hoax; othergods
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To: RnMomof7
I've posted this on several threads, but it bears repeating here.

Pope John Paul II, before his death, cautioned us that “the confusion between good and evil” is the “most dangerous crisis which can afflict man.”


61 posted on 01/15/2011 2:51:16 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 1000 silverlings; dangus; Dr. Eckleburg; Dutchboy88; Quix
Like I said earlier, read 1 Kings and see how confused and wrong the people of God can become in 40 years.

Look how many days it took the Israelites to turn from God between crossing the Red Sea and building the golden calf while Moses was on the mountain.

Kind of blows out of the water the argument on the Catholic side that the church could not have fallen into error in so few generations about the time of Constantine.

62 posted on 01/15/2011 2:51:22 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wmfights
The technology changes. The ability to communicate quickly changes. However, the basic behavior doesn't change. Every time we deviate from God's instructions you can see the mess it creates. What's stunning is we keep doing it.

Amen.

"All who forsake the word fall into idolatry." - John Calvin, John I:160

63 posted on 01/15/2011 2:52:29 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: EDINVA

Publik skoole.

Hey, I’m just not violating the comment before reading FR protocol.

It’s more fun that way.

FWIW, I did read as much of the article as I could stomach and did pick up on that.


64 posted on 01/15/2011 2:55:15 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Great point. It apparently takes little time for the cloud of error to form on those set aside to be hardened. And it has always been the remnant that has been granted rescue.


65 posted on 01/15/2011 3:00:22 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: dangus
. But even he might get to Heaven long before Martin Luther or Cardinal Mahony.

I do not know about Cardinal Mahony's eternity..but the only way for this "catholic medicine man" to get to heaven is the same as it is for all of us... that is to know he is a sinner that will never be saved by rituals or rites,( Indian or Catholic), but only by the cross of Christ and then to come in faith to that cross...

66 posted on 01/15/2011 3:03:17 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: EDINVA; metmom
His familiarity with Indian culture and Medicine Men is a byproduct of his medical education and practicing in AZ, where the Indian culture is rather dominant.

So that means it doesn't matter to God?

67 posted on 01/15/2011 3:06:10 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Dutchboy88
I recently found a Lakota Minister who is Born Again and travels the world talking to indigenous peoples and teaching that worshiping God in your own ethnic dress and custom is just fine. There are, though, a few things to be cautions about, idols being one. In my tribe we had coyote the trickster and starter of some old traditions and Wahpecomau, who was called God in the English language but was more of a demigod. Then they had (can't say the name in English) another spirit like what the Lakota call “the Great Spirit”. His name means “He who speaks from the sky”. When I worship “God” what I say is not as near as important as what is in my mind. In my mind , even praying as an Indian, I am picturing the Triune God of the Bible. The Minister's name is David Twiss and has several good “talks” on youtube. I just finished his book (amazon) One Church Many Tribes.
68 posted on 01/15/2011 3:43:49 PM PST by fish hawk (reporter to old Indian: you lived here on the reservation all your life? Old Indian, "not yet".)
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To: fish hawk
When I worship “God” what I say is not as near as important as what is in my mind. In my mind , even praying as an Indian, I am picturing the Triune God of the Bible.

Amen. Beautifully stated.

69 posted on 01/15/2011 4:02:08 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: dangus
Yeah, people who leave a religion usually like to assert that they are still faithful to it.

NOPE! I left a religion and TURNED TO GOD.
70 posted on 01/15/2011 4:02:46 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I can’t be bothered reading the article.

This guy put the “sham” in shaman.


71 posted on 01/15/2011 4:04:34 PM PST by Palladin (Obama, go back to Hawaii! Better yet, go back to Kenya!!)
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To: RnMomof7

I would not presume to speak or judge for God. I’ll leave that to you.


72 posted on 01/15/2011 4:05:00 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: RnMomof7

You are still at this? Hah. Your works. V’s wife.


73 posted on 01/15/2011 4:11:37 PM PST by ventana
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To: RnMomof7
“In reality, I’m Catholic, but the spirituality I’ve come across with traditional healers is one of the most beautiful things I’ve seen, and it’s a way of approaching people and it’s an additional way of healing that has actually helped me to be a better family doc.”

Hey, don't worry about it, doc. You're fine.

Just don't interpret Genesis literally or circumcise anybody!

74 posted on 01/15/2011 4:43:23 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . .)
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To: RnMomof7
As a nation we are rapidly descending into paganism.

Today it is a prayer to the “seven directions”.

Tomorrow foolish Americans will be casting their children into the fires of Moloch. (Oops! Silly me! With abortion Americans already do that!

75 posted on 01/15/2011 4:48:11 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: fish hawk

That would be Richard Twiss not David. Gee, I had the book right here in front of me. Well, I did just turn 72 a few days ago. You are supposed to get away with that at my age.They call it a “senior Moment”.


76 posted on 01/15/2011 4:48:24 PM PST by fish hawk (reporter to old Indian: you lived here on the reservation all your life? Old Indian, "not yet".)
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To: 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; Dutchboy88
Catholics go straight off the cliff worshiping everybody under the sun except God.

What's your excuse for Protestants who worship the made up "goddess" they call "Sophia"?

(Do I really need to post the links?)

Is that the "inevitable lunacy to which the Protestant cult leads"? [sic]

77 posted on 01/15/2011 7:06:54 PM PST by Campion
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Rome

How exactly is it that an associate professor of medicine asked to lead a pagan prayer becomes a representative of "Rome"?

What official capacity was there in? What bishop gave him permission?

[cue sound of crickets]

78 posted on 01/15/2011 7:11:25 PM PST by Campion
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Rome appears to be "ecumenical" towards everyone but Protestants whom they still anathematize.

Hmmm....just as the OPC "anathematizes" "Rome." Whatever "Rome" is.

79 posted on 01/15/2011 7:29:34 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

>> Catholics go straight off the cliff worshiping everybody under the sun except God. <<

Oh yeah. Protestants NEVER abandon THEIR faith. That’s why Catholics represent 24% of the U.S. population, yet almost 50% of church members. Face it, a nation which once was 97% Christian is only 53% affiliated with a denomination. And yet all these Protestants STILL tell me about how many ex-Catholics are in their churches. It almost makes you wonder, are there ANY Protestants who haven’t abandoned Christianity in America?


80 posted on 01/15/2011 8:22:09 PM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. John Crysostom ("the Golden-Mouthed"))
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