Catholic Doctor Explains Native American Prayer He Delivered at Arizona Memorial

CNS News ^ | 01/15/2011 | Pete Winn

[Salvation]

I've posted this on several threads, but it bears repeating here.

Pope John Paul II, before his death, cautioned us that “the confusion between good and evil” is the “most dangerous crisis which can afflict man.”

[metmom]

Like I said earlier, read 1 Kings and see how confused and wrong the people of God can become in 40 years.

Look how many days it took the Israelites to turn from God between crossing the Red Sea and building the golden calf while Moses was on the mountain.

Kind of blows out of the water the argument on the Catholic side that the church could not have fallen into error in so few generations about the time of Constantine.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The technology changes. The ability to communicate quickly changes. However, the basic behavior doesn't change. Every time we deviate from God's instructions you can see the mess it creates. What's stunning is we keep doing it.

Amen.

"All who forsake the word fall into idolatry." - John Calvin, John I:160

[metmom]

Publik skoole.

Hey, I’m just not violating the comment before reading FR protocol.

It’s more fun that way.

FWIW, I did read as much of the article as I could stomach and did pick up on that.

[Dutchboy88]

Great point. It apparently takes little time for the cloud of error to form on those set aside to be hardened. And it has always been the remnant that has been granted rescue.

[RnMomof7]

. But even he might get to Heaven long before Martin Luther or Cardinal Mahony.

I do not know about Cardinal Mahony's eternity..but the only way for this "catholic medicine man" to get to heaven is the same as it is for all of us... that is to know he is a sinner that will never be saved by rituals or rites,( Indian or Catholic), but only by the cross of Christ and then to come in faith to that cross...

[RnMomof7]

His familiarity with Indian culture and Medicine Men is a byproduct of his medical education and practicing in AZ, where the Indian culture is rather dominant.

So that means it doesn't matter to God?

[fish hawk]

I recently found a Lakota Minister who is Born Again and travels the world talking to indigenous peoples and teaching that worshiping God in your own ethnic dress and custom is just fine. There are, though, a few things to be cautions about, idols being one. In my tribe we had coyote the trickster and starter of some old traditions and Wahpecomau, who was called God in the English language but was more of a demigod. Then they had (can't say the name in English) another spirit like what the Lakota call “the Great Spirit”. His name means “He who speaks from the sky”. When I worship “God” what I say is not as near as important as what is in my mind. In my mind , even praying as an Indian, I am picturing the Triune God of the Bible. The Minister's name is David Twiss and has several good “talks” on youtube. I just finished his book (amazon) One Church Many Tribes.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

When I worship “God” what I say is not as near as important as what is in my mind. In my mind , even praying as an Indian, I am picturing the Triune God of the Bible.

Amen. Beautifully stated.

[presently no screen name]

Yeah, people who leave a religion usually like to assert that they are still faithful to it.

NOPE! I left a religion and TURNED TO GOD.

[Palladin]

I can’t be bothered reading the article.

This guy put the “sham” in shaman.

[EDINVA]

I would not presume to speak or judge for God. I’ll leave that to you.

[ventana]

You are still at this? Hah. Your works. V’s wife.

[Zionist Conspirator]

“In reality, I’m Catholic, but the spirituality I’ve come across with traditional healers is one of the most beautiful things I’ve seen, and it’s a way of approaching people and it’s an additional way of healing that has actually helped me to be a better family doc.”

Hey, don't worry about it, doc. You're fine.

Just don't interpret Genesis literally or circumcise anybody!

[wintertime]

As a nation we are rapidly descending into paganism.

Today it is a prayer to the “seven directions”.

Tomorrow foolish Americans will be casting their children into the fires of Moloch. (Oops! Silly me! With abortion Americans already do that!

[fish hawk]

That would be Richard Twiss not David. Gee, I had the book right here in front of me. Well, I did just turn 72 a few days ago. You are supposed to get away with that at my age.They call it a “senior Moment”.

[Campion]

Catholics go straight off the cliff worshiping everybody under the sun except God.

What's your excuse for Protestants who worship the made up "goddess" they call "Sophia"?

(Do I really need to post the links?)

Is that the "inevitable lunacy to which the Protestant cult leads"? [sic]

[Campion]

Rome

How exactly is it that an associate professor of medicine asked to lead a pagan prayer becomes a representative of "Rome"?

What official capacity was there in? What bishop gave him permission?

[cue sound of crickets]

[Judith Anne]

Rome appears to be "ecumenical" towards everyone but Protestants whom they still anathematize.

Hmmm....just as the OPC "anathematizes" "Rome." Whatever "Rome" is.

[dangus]

>> Catholics go straight off the cliff worshiping everybody under the sun except God. <<

Oh yeah. Protestants NEVER abandon THEIR faith. That’s why Catholics represent 24% of the U.S. population, yet almost 50% of church members. Face it, a nation which once was 97% Christian is only 53% affiliated with a denomination. And yet all these Protestants STILL tell me about how many ex-Catholics are in their churches. It almost makes you wonder, are there ANY Protestants who haven’t abandoned Christianity in America?