Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54
Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicles occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.
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"[N]othing could have been devised more likely to instruct and benefit the pious reader of sacred Scripture than that, besides describing praiseworthy characters as examples, and blameworthy characters as warnings, it should also narrate cases where good men have gone back and fallen into evil, whether they are restored to the right path or continue irreclaimable; and also where bad men have changed, and have attained to goodness, whether they persevere in it or relapse into evil; in order that the righteous may be not lifted up in the pride of security, nor the wicked hardened in despair of cure" (Against Faustus 22:96 [A.D. 400]).Augustine AGAINST Calvinist's false belief that one cannot lose one's salvation: it should also narrate cases where good men have gone back and fallen into evil, whether they are restored to the right path or continue irreclaimable
Do you think these are hard questions?
If a man commits murder and never repents, he wasn't saved in the first place.
Woe to the scholars who add, change, remove words to the already perfect Word of God. No translation will surpass 400 years of better accuracy that that of the Living Word of God in the King James Bible. .. The NIV (No Intelligence Version) is just one example of a corrupt translation with over 125,000 or more WORDS OF GOD changes: it is the most vile and corrupt translation. It deserves God's wroth, wrath, and righteous judgment for destroying a perfectly translated King James Holy Bible. And they will meet God when they die and are before God, He shall correctly reveal His perfect Living Word: but in judgment on those who 'dare' to change HIS WORD: woe to them... woe...woe...
Augustine wrote conflicting statements on whether or not a man could lose his salvation.
Regardless, Augustine was just a man. Where he was in alignment with Scripture, he was correct. Where he wasn’t, he wasn’t.
Read his “Predestination of the Saints” and see how much you agree with it.
Why do you say Bibletruth is a Calvinist?
Regardless, if you had any actual understanding of this topic, you’d know most KJV-only Christians are NOT Calvinists.
Thankfully, people can choose to read whatever translation they want. If the Holy Spirit has determined to reach that person, He’ll reach him by the word of God regardless of the translation.
FWIW, I tend to agree with Bibletruth on much of what he wrote. I don’t like the NIV, and prefer the KJV, the NKJV and the ESV. In that order.
First between true and false conversion. The Bible recognizes that not everyone who says he believes in Christ really doesVoilą! (by the way, that means "see there" in French) -- the followers of Calvin-Machen use their 14-page excerpted bible to say "Oh, they never were Christian in the first place!"
12 Therefore, son of man, say to your people, If someone who is righteous disobeys, that persons former righteousness will count for nothing. And if someone who is wicked repents, that persons former wickedness will not bring condemnation. The righteous person who sins will not be allowed to live even though they were formerly righteous.How clear does God have to get?
13 If I tell a righteous person that they will surely live, but then they trust in their righteousness and do evil, none of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered; they will die for the evil they have done
14 And if I say to a wicked person, You will surely die, but they then turn away from their sin and do what is just and right 15 if they give back what they took in pledge for a loan, return what they have stolen, follow the decrees that give life, and do no evilthat person will surely live; they will not die. 16 None of the sins that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live.
You continue to misstate what Christians, Protestants, Presbyterians and the OPC believe.
A true child of God whose name has been written in the Book of Life from before the foundation of the world cannot lose his salvation, and will, at a time of God’s choosing, know he has been saved by Christ alone, and therefore he will be brought to repentance, obedience and faith.
And the test of that person’s salvation is in his perseverance. If he perseveres to the end, he was correct to believe he was saved. The fruit of the Holy Spirit bore witness to Christ within him, and Christ never left him alone to slip away. He made sure to bring him home.
If a person says he’s a Christian, but the Spirit is not in him, and he falters, never to return to faith, then that person was never saved in the first place.
Cronos, do you believe that He who has begun a good work in you will perform it to the end?
"[N]othing could have been devised more likely to instruct and benefit the pious reader of sacred Scripture than that, besides describing praiseworthy characters as examples, and blameworthy characters as warnings, it should also narrate cases where good men have gone back and fallen into evil, whether they are restored to the right path or continue irreclaimable; and also where bad men have changed, and have attained to goodness, whether they persevere in it or relapse into evil; in order that the righteous may be not lifted up in the pride of security, nor the wicked hardened in despair of cure" (Against Faustus 22:96 [A.D. 400]).And this is perfectly in line with scripture -- read this from Ez 33
Woe to the scholars who add, change, remove words to the already perfect Word of God. No translation will surpass 400 years of better accuracy that that of the Living Word of God in the King James Bible. .. The NIV (No Intelligence Version) is just one example of a corrupt translation with over 125,000 or more WORDS OF GOD changes: it is the most vile and corrupt translation. It deserves God's wroth, wrath, and righteous judgment for destroying a perfectly translated King James Holy Bible. And they will meet God when they die and are before God, He shall correctly reveal His perfect Living Word: but in judgment on those who 'dare' to change HIS WORD: woe to them... woe...woe...?
First between true and false conversion. The Bible recognizes that not everyone who says he believes in Christ really doesVoilą! (by the way, that means "see there" in French) -- the followers of Calvin-Machen use their 14-page excerpted bible to say "Oh, they never were Christian in the first place!"
12 Therefore, son of man, say to your people, If someone who is righteous disobeys, that persons former righteousness will count for nothing. And if someone who is wicked repents, that persons former wickedness will not bring condemnation. The righteous person who sins will not be allowed to live even though they were formerly righteous.How clear does God have to get?
13 If I tell a righteous person that they will surely live, but then they trust in their righteousness and do evil, none of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered; they will die for the evil they have done
14 And if I say to a wicked person, You will surely die, but they then turn away from their sin and do what is just and right 15 if they give back what they took in pledge for a loan, return what they have stolen, follow the decrees that give life, and do no evilthat person will surely live; they will not die. 16 None of the sins that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live.
Perhaps you’re incapable of having a discussion. The evidence is piling up. All you do is repost the same response over and over. A response that, more often than not, was not even written by you.
A waste of time.
I wrote what I wrote. Bibletruth wrote what he wrote.
Can you read?
Cronos, do you believe that He who has begun a good work in you will perform it to the end?
Well I have to think about this post....voluntarily does seem to indicate one chooses....which is how I see free-will. The ability to choose.
Arminianism is indeed a heresy,....Arminian thought is shared by Pentecostals and MEthodists among others. Do you think their beliefs are damnable heresy? Do you believe that their preachers are heretics?
The Bible teaches that Christ did his atoning work on behalf of his elect people, and no others.....
Are Arminian preachers heretics? In a sense, yes,
Is Arminianism a damnable heresy? Yes.
Fixed it for you.
Woe to the scholars who add, change, remove words to the already perfect Word of God. No translation will surpass 400 years of better accuracy that that of the Living Word of God in the King James Bible. .. The NIV (No Intelligence Version) is just one example of a corrupt translation with over 125,000 or more WORDS OF GOD changes: it is the most vile and corrupt translation. It deserves God's wroth, wrath, and righteous judgment for destroying a perfectly translated King James Holy Bible. And they will meet God when they die and are before God, He shall correctly reveal His perfect Living Word: but in judgment on those who 'dare' to change HIS WORD: woe to them... woe...woe...?
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