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The Not So Secret Rapture
reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: Cronos

Why?


2,661 posted on 02/01/2011 10:06:13 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: daniel1212; metmom
" the Reformation was a process," -->

You mean like how Luther was superseded by Calvin and Zwingli, and then the Restoration brought about people like Charles TAze Russel, Ellen G White, Joseph Smith Jr and Mary Baker Eddy who "improved" on the reformatters?
2,662 posted on 02/01/2011 10:08:43 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
You've told us you're in a morning time zone while most of the rest of us are ending our day. Maybe this explains the wild fonts and colorful re-posts of nonsense.

Regardless, you're free to post whatever idiotic comments you want. (And it is not against the rules to say a comment is "idiotic.")

2,663 posted on 02/01/2011 10:09:04 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
What wondrous assurance. Who can hurt us?

Who indeed.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. – Romans 8:38-39

Praise God!!!

Thank you so much for your testimony, dear sister in Christ, and thank you for your encouragements!

2,664 posted on 02/01/2011 10:09:19 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cronos

Here’s an interesting link on how the OPC sees themselves. You might take the time to read. Though they are more liberal than I would be comfortable with.

http://www.stratfordopc.org/stratfordopc_page.php?page_id=26


2,665 posted on 02/01/2011 10:09:28 PM PST by caww
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Hardly -- these are OPC beliefs from the OPC website.

they also say According to the OPC OrthoPresbyterianC: "Christians should not celebrate the Seder or other Jewish festivals. "

And some more beauties of the OPC fate
Salvation of Infants Who Die

The Confession entertains the idea that at least some infants who die in infancy and some others "who are incapable of being outwardly called" are among the elect.

However, the Confession does not say that all such infants, etc., are saved.
The OPC believes that God pre-damns infants to eternal hell. This isn't the Christian God of Love.

Some more OPC attacks. This is from the OPC Q&A site
It will be noted that the Confession sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement.

In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today.

This is a very serious error. In essence it is a result of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation. ....

Never again will there be an outpouring of the Holy Spirit such as took place on the day of Pentecost.

The sending of the Holy Spirit is just as much an unrepeatable event as the birth of Christ was.
This states clearly that the OPC wishes to believe that the sending of the Holy Spirit is UNREPEATABLE

Some more OPC attacks on those who believe in the Rapture too
I think that it is wrong to hold (with the Premillennialists) that, from chapter 4:1 on, Revelation is all future.

2,666 posted on 02/01/2011 10:11:25 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Dr. e: "Can you read? Is dyslexia a problem?"

The Rabid Calvinist cult wants

CONTROL!!

They wish to set up their police-state to enforce their idea that
Calvinism = Christianity

Which is FALSE and egotistical -- just like Calvin himself, are Calvin's followers

2,667 posted on 02/01/2011 10:12:36 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos; Alamo-Girl
Bluntly, Alamo-Girl, it’s a hit-piece by the MSM. The Scripture is GOLD-Standard to us, Tradition must be verified against it. You may not believe that we hold Church teachings, but we do not in any way subordinate scripture.

And yet I distinctly remember reading something recently about a, how do they say it? Oh, yeah, a three legged stool isn't that right? Scripture, Tradition and the Magesterium (the teaching authority of the Church) are those three legs and they supposedly all work together. Take one away, and the stool "tips over". Any of this sound familiar?

2,668 posted on 02/01/2011 10:12:36 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: caww
Actually, that's not a long stretch -- it is what they teach ont heir website and group buildings: they twist their weasel-words as "First between true and false conversion. The Bible recognizes that not everyone who says he believes in Christ really does"

Voilą! (by the way, that means "see there" in French) -- the followers of Calvin-Machen use their rubber dictionaries to say "Oh, they never were Christian in the first place!"
2,669 posted on 02/01/2011 10:14:55 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Actually, these are OPC teachings -- so if you want to say that OrthodoPresbyterian C teachings are idiotic, that's good! First step to recovery.

HEre are some more gems from the OCP teaching:

OPC attacks on those who believe in the Rapture too
I think that it is wrong to hold (with the Premillennialists) that, from chapter 4:1 on, Revelation is all future.


the OPC seems to attack those who believe in the Rapture too
Question: Do you believe the Bible teaches a pre-tribulation rapture? Will the believers in Christ be taken out of this world while the unbelievers are "left behind" to endure the final tribulations before the last day of this world? And will those unbelievers "left behind" have a last chance to repent?
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Answer:

The answer is "No" to all questions...

2,670 posted on 02/01/2011 10:17:30 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Alamo-Girl
Actually, these are OPC teachings -- so if you want to say that OrthodoPresbyterian C teachings are idiotic, that's good! First step to recovery.

HEre are some more gems from the OCP teaching:

OPC attacks on those who believe in the Rapture too
I think that it is wrong to hold (with the Premillennialists) that, from chapter 4:1 on, Revelation is all future.


the OPC seems to attack those who believe in the Rapture too
Question: Do you believe the Bible teaches a pre-tribulation rapture? Will the believers in Christ be taken out of this world while the unbelievers are "left behind" to endure the final tribulations before the last day of this world? And will those unbelievers "left behind" have a last chance to repent?
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Answer:

The answer is "No" to all questions...

2,671 posted on 02/01/2011 10:17:40 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Thanks for posting the link to the OPC. Here it is again.

http://www.OPC.org


2,672 posted on 02/01/2011 10:18:53 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Cronos

lol. What’s with the double posts?

Regardless, just another opportunity to post a link to the OPC...

http://www.OPC.org


2,673 posted on 02/01/2011 10:20:22 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Cronos

You read the verse backwards.

Either dyslexia or intentionally misreading the verse.


2,674 posted on 02/01/2011 10:21:10 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Cronos

But that’s correct Cronos...not everyone who claims Christ are His. Remember Judas?.... Besides you need to read the whole article which clarifies that statement very well.


2,675 posted on 02/01/2011 10:21:33 PM PST by caww
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To: Cronos

Thanks for posting the link to the OPC. Here it is again.

http://www.OPC.org


2,676 posted on 02/01/2011 10:21:52 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Cronos
Calvinism = Christianity.

Do you believe Roman Catholicism is Christianity?

2,677 posted on 02/01/2011 10:23:52 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Cronos

BTW I note on the OPC you provided that there’s an author speaking in the first tense..as if this is his opinion rather than fully the doctrine the Opc has. So is this guy that significant to write as he does,...is it just his opinion?


2,678 posted on 02/01/2011 10:25:12 PM PST by caww
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To: caww
Thank you, caww. I appreciate your taking the time to read that link. I liked it, too.

Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 1:10. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

John 10:28-29. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

1 John 3:9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 Peter 1:5, 9. Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.... Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.


2,679 posted on 02/01/2011 10:28:00 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Cronos

Cronos...are you alright? Your starting to post oddly again..sort of going off the edge a bit. Just noticing....


2,680 posted on 02/01/2011 10:30:01 PM PST by caww
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