THE PATHETIC, HILARIOUS,
BRAZEN DECEPTION
IS
that the RCC has been around earlier
than 300AD.
Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54
Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.
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you are very entertaining, the contradictions of your beliefs. when you want to establish when the Book of Revelation was written, Iraneus is ok in your book, since he was taught by Polycarp, who in turn, was taught by John. However, when i point out Iraneus believed in baptismal regeneration, the Real Presence in the Eucharist, apostolic succession, the Catholic Church, the Sacrifice of the Mass, he is a pagan!!
remember my friend, the Catholic Church has been here since 33ad, and so have it’s enemies. deal with it!
...and born- again Christians have been here since the day of Pentecost......
yes and they are found in the Church.
It is a hallmark of those whose agenda is to divide via inflaming arguments that they persist in trying to make everything an either or proposition. You’re no more a Christian advocating for Jesus Christ than the demonically inspired girl with the familiar spirit who followed Paul around proclaiming he had the word for salvation. You’re working FR from Mormonism to the Catholic v Proddy discussions. You’re not here advocating for Jesus Christ, nor really even the Catholic Chruch. You’re here playing at agitprop ... the question is, for whom are you working, ‘cause it sure isn’t for The Savior of Mankind.
agenda to divide??? no, no, no, a thousand times no. you don’t read me accurately! i believe the Church is ONE, because Jesus is One! i am trying to bring those who appear to divide the Body of Christ before the world, into unity with the Church. This is the will of Jesus as expressed in John 17 and Paul expains why this is important in 1 Corinthians. Please, please Read John 17 and pray about it.
Wonder who Christ was speaking to when He said in Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Course one does need to begin reading verse 1 of chapter 12 to find the reason and meat of what is being said. And of course finish the chapter to finish His instruction.
the division is between the believer and unbeliever, to the elect and the lost, between those that do the will of the Father and those who do the will of Satan.
Please read John 17 and 1 Corinthians 1 and tell me if divisions within those that claim the name of Christian is God’s will?
I live in South Jersey and in my town, within a two mile area, we have a Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, SDA, JW, AOG, and 2 “independent” churches. Now, if you think that is what Luke 12 is referring to, i am sure Jesus must be very pleased then.
Don’t expect the poster to comprehend what these groups have in common. It is very Catholic to ignore the catholic-ness of all who profess the Jesus of the Bible as Lord and Savior, for such Catholics are advocating for their institution, whereas catholics are advocating for the Savior. There are lots and lots of catholics in the Catholic faith. I know many. There are also lots of institutionalized Catholics attending mass who need more than anything to trust in the Savior instead of an institution which cannot save them.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
I’ll leave the thread.
First the Heavenly Father is in control, and He allows what He will.
Christ set the standard/path as the 'bridegroom' as to how one measures whether the 'division' be of and from Him.
Christ did not ever hand off to another flesh/physical being His place of 'Saviour' and authority to hand out or pass out salvation. And if the flesh being claims to have said power and authority they are deceived and are deceivers. NOT one of we in a flesh body saves anyone else.
Jesus is the only Savior, He alone died on the cross and it is this Sacrifice which atones for sin and makes peace with the Father possible. If anyone believes this Jesus did not found a Church, in which He uses as the instrument thru which He accomplishes saving His people, this person is deceived. If anyone believes Jesus did not give His Church authority to teach and baptize, he hasn’t read Matthew 28 and is deceived. If anyone believes Jesus did not send the Holy Spirit to this Church to lead it to all truth and gave the keys of the kingdom to the Church, they are deceived. If anyone believes there is more than one Church, they are deceived. If anyone believes the Church is not the pillar of truth, they are deceived. If anyone believes you can be saved without being a member of the Body of Christ on earth, the Church, they are deceived. If anyone believes you can have your sins forgiven or are added to the Body of Christ any other way than being baptized, they are decieved. If anyone believes this Church has not been on the earth continuously from 33ad to the present, they are deveived.
There are a lot of deceived people in the world.
More false assertions and rubberized history.
The RCC has been around only after 300 some odd AD.
Truth in advertising is honorable.
The opposite, is not.
Particularly in the RC Charismatic groups.
I wonder what percentage of the
“authentic,” Real, NON-RCINC folks
—the authentic 20% of those who self report as Roman Catholic . . . what percentage of those are Charismatic RC’s.
An interesting question.
INDEED.
Let us we stay humble (teachable) before the LORD and not lose our joy, and hope; let us grow in wisdom and knowledge and pass it on to those that may be overcomers, or not, because we do not know, and yet not become prideful like Hezekiah, we can be to be examples in the will of God.
Pray believing, without doubt. I have not succeeded in keeping out questions and doubt, have you?
In God there is no shadow of turning.
GREAT POINTS.
Yet again.
Thanks.
you keep making this assertion about the RCC being started around 300ad. let’s explore that for truthfulness, ok?
first, i’d like to know who started the Catholic Church?
what year?
what “true Christians” opposed the Catholic Church at it’s founding?
what were the new or special doctrines that the Catholic Church taught at it’s founding that differed it from the true Christians at the time?
tell me where the term RCC was first used and by whom?
What happened to the Church at Rome when the Catholic Church was founded?
let’s see what “facts” can be provided to back the assertion.
here are the answers to my questions from #199 in order:
Jesus Christ
33ad
none
none
11th century in the Great Schism, prior to that the whole Catholic Church was in commuion with each other.
The Church at Rome didn’t exist before the founding of the Catholic Church, since the Catholic Church was started in 33ad in Jerusalem. It would be a few years before the Apostles arrived at Rome
there you have it.
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