Founders: "Catholic religion an extreme danger to America"

Congressional Record ^ | 1774 | Continental Congress

[bushpilot1]

Journals of the Continental Congress, Sat., Sept. 17, 1774

10. "That the late act of parliament for establishing the Roman Catholic religion and the French laws in that extensive country, now called Canada, is dangerous in an extreme degree to the Protestant religion and to the civil rights and liberties of all America; and, therefore, as men and Protestant Christians, we are indispensubly obliged to take all proper measures for our security"

[bushpilot1]

Is this the reason America invaded Canada?

[Pyro7480]

George Washington: enough said.

George Washington, November 5, 1775, General Orders

George Washington: Letter to the Roman Catholics

Ever heard of Charles Carroll of Carrollton as well?

[Alex Murphy]

Journals of the Continental Congress, Sat., Sept. 17, 1774
10. "That the late act of parliament for establishing the Roman Catholic religion and the French laws in that extensive country, now called Canada, is dangerous in an extreme degree to the Protestant religion and to the civil rights and liberties of all America; and, therefore, as men and Protestant Christians, we are indispensubly obliged to take all proper measures for our security"

Ping for later

[PieterCasparzen]

Right, but staunch reformed and and staunch catholics are quite on the same side at this point. I have dear catholic friends and we’ve never argued about the Reformation.

In order to understand that writing, one has to read the history of the Reformation from about 1200 up until that date, and one will find that protestants who came here in the 1600’s where very afraid of state controlled churches due to many years of wars and violent persecution.

But as I said above, we’re in very close agreement now as to avoiding some basic heresies of liberal churches, kind of ironically, and we can deal peacably with each other even though we disagree on some basic doctrine.

[Salvation]

Isn’t this about Canada?

[shibumi]

A perfectly understandable sentiment, given the ongoing Portuguese, Spanish and Roman Inquisitions, which lasted until the 1800’s.

Perspective is important.

[Jedidah]

I think the phrase “establishing the Roman Catholic religion” is what’s important here.

And the framers made sure that no religion would be “established” in our union.

[DJ MacWoW]

Perspective is important.

Yup. Back then the Church was as powerful as governments.

[Polybius]

As that 1774 document illustrates, the 18th Century was a time when religious intolerance in Western Civilization was considered The Natural Order of Things.

That is what makes this 1791 document so impressive:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..... "

[marshmallow]

I wonder if the Founders ever, in their wildest dreams, imagined a day when America would be overrun with abortionists, pornographers, drug pushers, scam artists, radical feminists, socialists and militant atheists?

I wonder what they'd say about Catholicism in the light of all that?

[Tennessee Nana]

This was about Quebec...

By 1774 “Upper West” Canada belonged to England

My ancestors fled from the US into Ontario in Nov 1776 to the British ...

The treaty of Paris in 1763 gave much of canada to England..

However in the “Quebec Act” of 1774 the British allowed the French speaking people living in that area to continue their own laws and pratice of Catholicism ...

My female ancestors were refugees in a camp in Montreal throughout most of the war, fed etc by the Britsh while their husbands and fathers were away in ther US fighting...

Although the area had French laws, it was governed by the British...

and although the American patriots appealed to the French for help against the British, they didnt like the French beliefs or laws ???

I wonder if the Catholics who fought for the Americans knew that ???

[starlifter]

[starlifter]

[Tennessee Nana]

WOW

your FReeper name is stand out to anyone who knows of the original person...

I think we may have the same ancestor...

Pieter Casparszen D’Mailly/Mabille/Mabie..

also known in documents as Pieter Casparszen or Pierre Gaspard (as it was written in Jesse De Forest’s “Round Robin”...

Born in Naerdon, Holland 1604 died in New Amsterdam (New York) after 1660 and before 1686

son of Caspar/Gaspard Mabille and Sarrentje (Sarah) De Croix Du Bois

Grandson of Pierre D’Mailly of Nevy, Anjou, France who fled from France after the St Bartholemew Day Massacre, and Antoinette D’Dumond

From Pieter Casparszen my line goes forward..

Caspar Pieterszen Mabie and Lysbeth Harmanse Schuerman

Catherine Mabie and Daniel Secord

The Mabies fought on both sides of the American Revolution...

[bushpilot1]

[Pyro7480]

I think the phrase “establishing the Roman Catholic religion” is what’s important here.

Not exactly, as many of the colonies/states had their own established religions.

[Pyro7480]

Yeah? And?

[Jedidah]

But not the Union, which was my point.

[lastchance]

Oh you can do better than that. You should be able to find a slew of anti Papist commentary and cartoons dating from that period and even today. No fair using other Freeper posts. We want to see something fresh and exciting. So we can all fully grasp the danger of the Catholic Church.

I for one want to see photos of the tunnels from the convents to the seminary and the walled up fetal bones lining these underground passages of iniquity.

I also demand access to the secret Vatican plans to mandate the daily recitation of the Rosary.

[stuartcr]

I doubt it. They could only write as it pertained to what they knew and what existed at the time.