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1 posted on 01/10/2011 5:07:01 AM PST by Paragon Defender
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I thought I had posted this one before but upon a search on the title I did not see it. If this is a duplicate I do apologize.


2 posted on 01/10/2011 5:15:41 AM PST by Paragon Defender
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The Lord Jesus Christ said "He who believes in the Son has eternal life"

Gospel of John 3:36. Thus the Lord is saying that He who has belief planted in him "HAS" Eternal Life and by implication is Saved.

We also see this in the same Gospel (John 6:36,37) where the Lord says that He will not cast them into Hell those who come to Him(through Faith). "But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out."

So you see here, that the Lord Jesus Christ is talking about those who BELIEVE and that the "WILL CERTAINLY NOT CAST OUT" them into Hell.

Therefore, folks like us, can have the Full Assurance of Salvation and that we will be with Him Forever.

Once Belief upon Christ and Christ Alone for Salvation is given by God, one cannot lose their Salvation - for it is GIVEN BY GOD.

3 posted on 01/10/2011 5:35:57 AM PST by sr4402
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Here we go again.

Jesus is the only way to salvation. Mormons base their hope for “salvation” on their works, which CANNOT save them. They will die in their sins if they do not repent and come to Christ, putting aside hope in works and embracing His forgiveness.

It is NOT the official policy of Freerepublic to promote Mormonism. Mormons are conservative and therefore are welcome on this site, but this continual posting of Mormon doctrines is getting old.

I cannot speak on behalf of the administration, but I am sure they are getting really tired of this game.


4 posted on 01/10/2011 5:40:08 AM PST by PastorBooks
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And the mormon females ???

and the non-whites males ???

What about them ???

all mormon doctrine for the mortmon afterlife applies only to white mormon males...

Meanwhile in Christianity all can be born again...

Men, women, black, white, all nations and creeds...

Nana, was that around when the lust driven Joey Smith attempted to mess it up so that he could get himself wine, women and song and money and power over other people ???

THe LORD Jesus Christ who is God said, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” John 3:3

The LORD Jesus Christ who is God said, “Do not marvel and act surprised that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ John 3:7

Paul said, “I am not ashamed of the Gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.” Acts 1:20

Paul said, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galations 3:28

Paul said, quoting Joel, “Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.” Acts 2:18

The LORD God said “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.” Joel 2:28

Gollies looked at that...Women are included...equal with men in Christianity...and prophecing...women prophets...

Women being born again just like men...

Not so much in mormonism...

Mormonism is not Christianity...


14 posted on 01/10/2011 7:52:51 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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Don't apologize PD, your posts are appreciated. I note that this is the first one in some time from an "official" LdS source vs. those other sites that are merely presenting their opinions or interpretations.

"“We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel[Which "gospel might you be referring to?]” (A of F 1:3)."

And here is where mormons have gone off the rails, so to speak.

Romans 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

(Romans 10:9-13, KJV).

"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." -Isaiah 45:22

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” —John 3:16

Joseph Fielding Smith says one obtains salvation by following laws and ordinances, but Paul has this to say about laws in Romans 3:20, "For by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." The Bible also says that Jesus Christ came to make peace by abolishing the law and blotting out ordinances. Ephesians 2:14 and 15 says, "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, event he law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace. In Colossians Paul tells us that ordinance were blotted out and taken out of the way by nailing them to the cross.

Source; Salvation in Mormonism

17 posted on 01/10/2011 8:08:38 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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This is so full of theological holes - it is little wonder lds are not considered Christian by the rest of Christianity.

To Latter-day Saints, the words saved and salvation in this teaching signify a present covenant relationship with Jesus Christ in which we are assured salvation from the consequences of sin if we are obedient.

Lurkers will note "IF WE ARE OBEDIENT" - a conditonal 'salvation'. What is 'obedient'? Being completely godly, sinless and perfectly fulfilling all lds ordinances and laws.

Every sincere Latter-day Saint is “saved” according to this meaning. We have been converted to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, we have experienced repentance and baptism, and we are renewing our covenants of baptism by partaking of the sacrament.

LDS definition of 'repentance' - complete and total rejection of sin and living a sinless life. If lds continues to sin, they by lds definition have not 'repented'.

I is humorous that the author writes of a weekly repentance. smith wrote regarding this:

“Repentance is a thing that cannot be trifled with every day. Daily transgression and daily repentance is not that which is pleasing in the sight of God.” —Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 148

We are not saved in our sins, as by being unconditionally saved through confessing Christ and then, inevitably, committing sins in our remaining lives (see Alma 11:36–37). We are saved from our sins (see Hel. 5:10) by a weekly renewal of our repentance and cleansing through the grace of God and His blessed plan of salvation (see 3 Ne. 9:20–22).

Of course the mormon has to resort to passages from a piece of fiction written in the 1800's. The bible clearly repudiates lds doctrine on this point -

Rom 5:6 KJV - For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 KJV - For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 KJV - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 KJV - Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 KJV - For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The author of the article does make it clear to the reader - mormons cannot state with certainity that they are saved. Christian on the other hand CAN STATE with certainity because of the word of God in the bible - we are saved.

18 posted on 01/10/2011 8:09:43 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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PD, you are doing a bang up job!


24 posted on 01/10/2011 9:01:49 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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Act 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Whoever rejects the Gospel of the Grace of God is accursed...Can not be and is not a child of God, a Christian...

Of course anyone can call themselves Christians and they do...

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

This or these verses may not apply to you guys but they certainly apply to someone...Someone, under any circumstances will not come into condemnation...He/she is Saved...Right now...And I submit that one someone they apply to is me...

I will agree with you that one of us is wrong and is not a Christian...But we both use the name Christian...Somebody's going to have to give it up...

26 posted on 01/10/2011 9:51:49 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To Latter-day Saints, the words saved and salvation in this teaching signify a present covenant relationship with Jesus Christ in which we are assured salvation from the consequences of sin if we are obedient.
It must be made clear that the meaning of "obedient" means to be obedient to the LDS rules, not the Jesus of the Bible.

You speak of a "covenant relationship with Jesus Christ in which we are assured salvation."

It must be clear that the Mormons have a diffent Jesus, one that had a father who had a father etc etc.

And a Jesus that has a brother who is satan.

The Bible speaks much of false Christs, do NOT use our Historical Biblical Jesus for your salvation, unless you wish to follow Him instead of your Jesus.

Thanks.

You do believe in the documented LDS teachings about your Jesus, don't you?

28 posted on 01/10/2011 10:47:46 AM PST by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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We tend to speak of “saved” or “salvation” as a future event rather than something that has already been realized.

Too bad...


"I (Jesus) tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life."
John 5:24

"because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. "
Hebrews 10:14

34 posted on 01/10/2011 12:07:56 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Shouldn't this be labeled...

Have You Been Saved? (Cultic Vanity)
LDS.org ^ | Dallin H. Oaks

50 posted on 01/10/2011 2:06:51 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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Once by my Dad when I was young....once in the military.

Other than those two times, I've not needed saving.

52 posted on 01/10/2011 2:11:36 PM PST by Logic n' Reason ("Don't start coloring until you know where the lines go.")
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63 posted on 01/10/2011 3:08:57 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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