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To: Paragon Defender; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; All
First, I want to thank Jim for providing a forum where many of us cut our teeth on politics and gave us a convenient meeting place to discuss conservative principles, debate policy and strategy, and organize our efforts.

For about a decade, I have enjoyed posting here, organizing/attending local FReeps and rallies, and been a donor to FR. I wish I could say I was a more active FReeper over that last year but personal and work-related constraints have limited my time here (including not being able to update the FR Lexicon in 2010...sorry about that).

Unfortunately, a few years ago, when religious issues became a more common topic on FR, I was concerned that it would only lead to a distraction from common conservative principles we all espouse. Thus, I never participated on any of the religious threads. Worse, however, I was worried that it would lead to unnecessary infighting and attacks on very personal issues that would harm conservative efforts and undermine FR's membership. That seems to have happened.

As I've noted on some of the infamous "bug zapper" related threads, this is Jim's site to run as he wishes. You can either abide by the decisions made or simply leave the site. Unfortunately, I now find myself in the latter category. I believe this thread showed very poor handling (by Jim Robinson and moderators, among others) of a subject (personal religious beliefs) which I don't think really should ever have been delved into on FR.

I hope my decision to leave FR will not affect future cooperation on conservative issues (which we all agree on and is a common thread here), as I'm sure we will continue to cross paths at political events. Personally, I look forward to continuing to work with anyone who will further conservatism, especially FReepers and FReepettes!

Finally, for the past several years I've been the caretaker of the FreeRebublic Lexicon (after stumbling into the 'job'). It is available on my profile page at this time. Someone should take over updating it (which is overdue). I have a better formatted text/html copy of the lexicon (much easier to edit and update) but would have to email it to the volunteer.

If Jim and the moderators will allow it, I will check my FReepmail over the next few days and email the formatted lexicon file to anyone requesting a copy (please provide your email address in the message).

Goodbye and good luck,

Batter

1,278 posted on 01/03/2011 10:16:38 PM PST by batter (Wolverines!)
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To: batter

Good Luck and God Speed. You have a strong will.


1,279 posted on 01/03/2011 10:24:49 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: batter

I don’t like the religious bashing, so I stay away from religion forums that do so. You shouldn’t leave. Not sure what has offended you, but you should consider the source and avoid it.


1,280 posted on 01/03/2011 10:25:21 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: batter; Jim Robinson; F15Eagle; antceecee; eyedigress
I wish I could say I was a more active FReeper over that last year but personal and work-related constraints have limited my time here (including not being able to update the FR Lexicon in 2010...sorry about that).

(Thank you for your contributions here)

...I never participated on any of the religious threads...a subject (personal religious beliefs) which I don't think really should ever have been delved into on FR.

(Well, unfortunately some of the "There-are-two-subjects-you-should-never-discuss"-people never could bring themselves to cross the second bridge here...I believe this Web site has aptly proved the assumption on both counts to be quite faulty...)

... it would only lead to a distraction from common conservative principles we all espouse...I was worried that it would lead to unnecessary infighting...

Batter...most of your comments were well-reasoned, well-stated (I, of course, disagree with your critique of JimRob & the moderators).

But here is the crux of the part of your statement at its weakest -- something I had to read three times before it became glaring to me...which means, I'm sure most will also miss it like I did the first two times reading it -- even Christians who embrace the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Your assumption seems to be that (a) The Gospel of Jesus Christ is "unnecessary" to share with others; and (b) Division is ALWAYS terrible.

Just five posts after yours -- post #1,283 -- F15Eagle addressed the (b) portion of your comments when he mentioned key words of Jesus: Luke 12:51 KJV Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Hence the Gospel of Jesus Christ applied will divide!

Ultimately, Batter, "common conservative principles" will not save us -- individually or as a nation.

GOD does that.

And the true God will not tolerate rivals of trust -- no matter how noble they are.

The "Common conservative principles" you mentioned are VERY important! But they are not ultimately; because ultimately, this nation will one day fail -- like every nation.

The Bible says the USA will one day come to an end. It will have served God's sovereign purposes within His world.

I cannot accurately convey the personal heartache & internal cringing I felt in the immediate and lingering aftereffects of Hurricane Katrina. This was not only for the victims involved, but also as I daily heard the MSM repeat the daily liberal mantra that it was the government's job to save people and the government should be treated as the "ultimate savior."

You see, the reason why the liberal Democrats treat government as a "god" is because they recognize no higher power or transcendent entity than human government! Government is their manipulatable substitute god!

Sorry. But all of the above is outright heresy not only from a Christian perspective, but from a historic conservative perspective -- which never divorced our faith from the causes of liberty!!!

So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. (Jesus, John 8:36)

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. (Apostle Paul, Galatians 5:1)

--In John 8, Jesus was addressing the religious legalists, whom He called "children of the devil."
--In Gal. 5:1, Paul had earlier in that same letter asked "who bewitched" a people who thought that what was begun in the spirit could now be finished in religious fleshly efforts of legalism. Religious legalism -- not only liberal socialism -- was indeed that stranglehold of a "yoke of slavery."

Batter, even conservative principled humanism will eventually crumble; it won't be able to deliver its promised deliverables. It does rely upon, after all, mere human fleshly efforts. The prophet Jeremiah told us, "the arm of flesh will fail you."

But there was one arm of flesh that didn't fail us.

Jesus Christ.

And He defined eternal life by saying we need to know "the true" Father (John 17:3). He didn't say a relationship with any ole' God would do. No, He specifically defined eternal life as relational -- with "the ONLY TRUE God."

And our Republican ancestors before us did not shrink back from addressing the "hard issues" that separated us from fellow religious conservatives in the 19th century.

The Mormons were a conservative people in the 1850s. They were "fellow religious-ites," if you will.

Yet the fledgling Republican party gave birth to "twins" in 1856. Those "twins?" It openly tackled the "twin relics of barbarism" -- slavery and polygamy.

It didn't play this game of "we-better-cater-to-the fellow-conservative-Mormons-and-not-ruffle-their-polygamous-feathers."

If our Republican forefathers had not tackled both "twin relics"...
...I don't believe slavery would have been addressed in the late 1850s into the 1860s --
--And I don't believe Republican leaders in Congress would have been able to defend one-man, one-woman marriage via numerous acts of legislation and law enforcement in the West!

Batter, the Gospel and the truth of God's Word is integral to His saving purposes -- both of us as a nation -- and as individuals bound or not bound for heaven.

We dare not take aim vs. the reason why Jesus came...because then we are taking on God, Himself!

1,292 posted on 01/04/2011 1:39:32 AM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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To: batter
Do you stumble the same way when the sexual degenerates get ‘in your face’ with their moral rot? ... The poster who started this thread was purposely doing an ‘in your face’ posting, and tried to protect that ‘in your face’ behavior by playing ‘caucus’ pool. If you're a Mormon, I can see why you ‘feel’ insulted and are now going to ‘take your ball and leave’ in a huff. If you're not a Mormon then you have fallen prey to exactly what the little poster was trying to accomplish with this thread titled as it was and trying to protect that in your face spittle with the caucus designation. Frankly, your whiny post smacks of the victimology of mormonism, which is like an anchor to the soul of those captured in the non-Christian religion of Joseph Smith & co.
1,327 posted on 01/04/2011 6:20:42 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: batter
email the formatted lexicon file to anyone requesting a copy

No need for that; just POST it.

We can grab the formating with no problem.

1,349 posted on 01/04/2011 7:09:30 AM PST by Elsie
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