Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

[T Minus Four]

You have got mine too. Toughest job in the world :-)

[SENTINEL]

From now on when ANY MORMON TRIES TO USE MY LORD'S WORD TO DEFEND THEIR CULT, I WILL POST UP THE JST VERSION TO EMBARRASS THEM INTO SILENCE. THEY OWN THIS.

Mar 10:11 KJV - And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

Mar 10:10 JST (Smith added and removed entire verses through the bible thus different number) - And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Luk 16:18 KJV - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.

Luke 16:23 JST (Yes Smith added THAT MANY verses to Luke 16) - But he continued, saying, Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery; and whosoever marrieth her who is put away from her husband, committeth adultery. Verily I say unto you, I will liken you unto the rich man.

[MHGinTN]

I cannot believe Nana allowed me to get that number!

[ejonesie22]

I think we all would like to know that...

So many voices...

[reaganaut]

Yep. Elsie’s posts rock!

Hey, Els, give the goats a hug for me.

[T Minus Four]

BTW, God doesn’t have an erection, which is one of the biggest errors make in Smiths changes of the fascimiles

I know one of his "apostles" who apparently had a permanent one.

[T. P. Pole]

simple question to them a few posts above about which bible they use

You already know the answer, and even when I restate it here, you will claim that we have not answered, but here we go anyways.

The LDS church publishes an English Bible that most mormons purchase and use both at church during instruction and at home for personal study. This Bible is the King James version. The church has included footnotes indicating places where the Joseph Smith translation is different from the tradtional King James text (and in cases where the section is longer - like several verses - includes it in the back of the Bible). But for day-to-day use Mormons use the King James Bible. BTW, the footnotes also include cross references to other verses, etc.

We do not ignore or hide the Joseph Smith translation, and one can purchase one with the changes in-line (replacing the King James text). But the Bible in our hands at church or when we are studying is the King James version.

[Elsie]

[SENTINEL]

"Heck, just listen to what the Mormons say on these threads. You’ll alternate between being outraged and confused."

Tara, did you know that Brigham Yound made up his own alphabet and Language and tried to force it on the mromons after they moved to Utah ? They rejected it, but his attempt to isolate them and the many european converts from the truth by confounding their ability to communicate with the outside world was telling.

http://www.deseretalphabet.org/

[T Minus Four]

I live and work in the heart of Mormon country and I personally love Mormons, almost to a person. Terrific people. Great friends, neighbors, coworkers. Just all-around good reliable people.

[MHGinTN]

Ona corollary note, see if the following changes to the book of nephi amount to significant changes? LDS claim they're just minor improvements to stenographic mistakes! ...

1Nephi changes:

Prior to 1837

After 1837 changes …

11:18 And he said unto me, Behold, the virgin which thou seest, is the mother of God, after the manner of flesh.

And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.

11:21 And the angel said unto me, behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?

And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?

11:32 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me again, saying, look! And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he was taken by the people; yea, the Everlasting God, was judged of the world; and I saw and bear record.

And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me again, saying: Look! And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he was taken by the people; yea, the Son of the everlasting God was judged of the world; and I saw and bear record.

13:40 And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which is of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Saviour of the world; and that all men must come unto Him, or they cannot be saved;

And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved.

[reaganaut]

Ticks me off as well. However, I do remember a time when I worshiped Smith, even though I didn’t think it was worship at the time. Now, looking back, I see it.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“I had a different experience. After finding out about Mormonism I decided I wanted to join. It was the best decision I ever made.”

It was the worst decision. You do not realize it.

ampu

[ConservativeWarrior]

Free Republic does not need a “Religion Page"...

FR should stick to conservatism...

Religion is the cornerstone of conservatism. Our country was founded on Christian principles.

[reaganaut]

I haven’t noticed any Jewish Caucus threads.

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I have. They are fairly rare, but they are there.

[Tennessee Nana]

Heres one...

Hail Cumorah, Silent Wonder

by Theodore E. Curtis about a painting of the supposed “cumorah hill”

Hail Cumorah, silent wonder
Of the hidden ages gone,
Lo, the footprints of the thunder
Bares your treasure to the dawn,
And Moroni clothed in glory,
Crowns your visage as of old,
To reveal the ancient story
Written on your heart of gold.

Twice a people’s last protection,
Twice a witness of the world
In the arms of insurrection,
To prophetic ruin hurled.
Ramah,9 of the ancient nation,
Dawns thy glorious day at last.
From your bosom comes salvation
And the story of the past.

And one by William W Phelps
composed in 1835 but dropped from the hymnbooks after 1927
Phelps was the guy who wrote praise to the man

An angel came down from the mansions of glory,
And told that a record was hid in Cumorah,
Containing our Saviour’s most glorious Gospel,—
And also the cov’nant to gather His people.

A heavenly treasure, a book full of merit,
It speaks from the dust by the power of the Spirit;
A voice from the Saviour that Saints can rely on,
To watch for the day when He brings again Zion.

O listen ye isles, and give ear, ev’ry nation.
For great things await you in this generation,
The kingdom of Jesus in Zion shall flourish,
The righteous will gather, the wicked must perish.

O Israel! O Israel! In all your abidings,
Prepare for your Lord, when you hear these glad tidings.

Retired Brigham Young University religion professor Rodney Turner’s “What Do We Hear from Cumorah?” (with music by Janice Kapp Perry)20 attempts exactly that. His text adapts the rhetorical format of Joseph Smith’s 1842 doctrinal “epistle” (Doctrine and Covenants 128), written from Nauvoo to encourage and energize the Saints during this difficult period:

And again, what do we hear? Glad tidings from Cumorah! Moroni, an angel from heaven, declaring the fulfilment of the prophets—the book to be revealed. (Doctrine and Covenants 128:20)

What do we hear from Cumorah?
From its heights holy prophets of old
Witness with power and plainness
Of Jesus, on plates of gold.
Their message is truth everlasting,
The truth that shall save each soul
Who, hearing the call of the Shepherd,
Repents and seeks rest in His fold.

What do we hear from Cumorah?
From its heart humble servants proclaim
Men are alike unto heaven,
As children of God, the same.
Restored is the gospel of gladness,
With joy we can now exclaim
“The burden of sin has been lifted
Because of our faith in Christ’s name.”

What do we hear from Cumorah?
From on high speaks the voice of the Son
Off’ring to all life eternal
Through Him who denieth none.
With Joseph’s word joined unto Judah,
Their witnesses stand as one,
The gospel goes forth to the nations
The work of salvation begun!

This next is interesting...

Darwin Wolford’s oratorio The Land of Joseph,52 on a libretto by Marylou Cunningham Shaver (commissioned by Ricks College in 1976 for the American bicentennial), portrays a sweeping vision of America’s religious history. The oratorio, which concludes with Moroni’s final words of warning at Cumorah, has the unifying theme that the “land of promise” can only be possessed by a righteous people. The narrow patriotic focus connecting the “land of promise” with the United States undoubtedly limits the potential of this work. More universally appealing is Wolford’s Song from Cumorah, a cantata for children’s chorus, with narration and lyrics by Mabel Jones Gabbott.53 The cantata unfolds around important Book of Mormon topics, each narration reinforced with a song, as in this example from the finale:

“The stories we have told are in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon was translated from the plates which the angel Moroni took from the Hill Cumorah. Joseph Smith translated the record, which is ‘an account written by the hand of Mormon; wherefore it is an abridgement of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, and of the people of Jared—and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by way of the Gentiles to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God.’

I heard the voices ringing
In tones of mighty worth,
From men whose words had waited
Long hidden in the earth.
When fools no longer hearken
And cry that Christ is dead.
Lo! Nephi tells his story;
And Mormon’s word is read.

I heard the voices singing,
Of miracles, of prayer,
Of Christ alive, but wounded,
Of angels gathered there;
When men again are seeking
A hope against the night.
His words will be their comfort,
His love will make things right.

From: “Hail, Cumorah! Silent Wonder”: Music Inspired by the Hill Cumorah by Roger L Miller

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=13&num=1&id=343

[T Minus Four]

even going sdo far as making changes to the Book of Revelations,

Don't leave out where Joseph Smith added several chapters to Genesis, WRITING HIMSELF INTO IT!

Pick your own link

[Elsie]

faslehood never happen but fairy tales are some special hobby!

When you wish upon a star...
Way up there where Kolob are...

 

 

 

 

 

           

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[ejonesie22]

Sounds like the purge of the Trinitarian parts of the BOM.

At some point,early one Smith and Co. realized the value of “godhood” in selling men on the LDS. But if you leave it Trintarian then godhood is right out...

Must have Polytheism for it to work.

[DelphiUser]

Colofornian,

Though I do not start caucus threads, but I understand their purpose here.

Caucus threads give religious people who are generally good conservatives a reason not to just abandon FR to the anti firestorm that most see as a daily posting of nagging nabobs of negativity. Yes, I mean the anti's, flying imams, or whatever they want to call themselves today.

I for one would prefer to just talk politics, but when I see my religion, my flag or my wife disrespected, I feel it my duty to respond.

Do I respond to posts on Catholic threads about the Trinity? I never have.

Do I go to posts in Protestant caucuses where they talk about being saved by Grace? Again I never have.

I do not go to threads that are not caucus threads about these topics, unless they specifically mention me or my religion by name, Let them have their beliefs, I have mine.

Anti's of every stripe and creed that go to threads about other religions to bash them, well they are a group, and I don't care if they are anti baptist, anti Calvin, anti Lutheran, anti Catholic or whatever. As a group antis get very little respect from me, not their scholarship, not their "facts" not their reasoning because they have already shown their lack of judgment.

It was a caucus thread, basically a couple of believers in a corner discussing their beliefs, who cares what they are saying amongst themselves?

But to have rules of how and where the thread is posted be broken, that is a bigger concern to me than if a Catholic caucus thread had been disparaging Joseph Smith and me by name, and had been moved to the smoky back room according to the rules, no problem. If this thread had been seen by Jim rob and he said "Bzzt out of line and moved it to the Smokey back room, again, no problem.

Was PD out of line for posting this? I don't know, but it could have been handled better.

Delph