Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

[Elsie]

My postings were to bring to light the FRinquisition of any posters who deliberately make fun of someone elses faith or lack of it.

The 'making fun', as you call it, comes AFTER so many attempts at straight line debate. The run-around gets me all dizzy, especially after posting OFFICIAL publications from their CHOSEN religion.

When they CONTINUALLY state that the words to NOT mean what they clearly say; THAT is when their 'intelligence' becomes a foil for ridicule.

[Elsie]

All you ballerinas line up!

[Elsie]

Eat yer heart out; Nana!

[Elsie]

Eat yer heart out; Nana!

[eastforker]

The ‘making fun’, as you call it, comes AFTER so many attempts at straight line debate. The run-around gets me all dizzy, especially after posting OFFICIAL publications from their CHOSEN religion.

When they CONTINUALLY state that the words to NOT mean what they clearly say; THAT is when their ‘intelligence’ becomes a foil for ridicule.

Then why don't you just let them revel in what they believe,true or not,and save yourself some grief and dizziness.I have always been told that anyone that continually makes fun of other people usually has low self esteem and an inferiority complex.

[greyfoxx39]

I’ve never heard that rumor...might as well have your post deleted before someone gets all excited about it and credits the FR “antis” with another lie!

[greyfoxx39]

Then why don't you just let them revel in what they believe,true or not,and save yourself some grief

Thanks you for your suggestion. Now, pass it along to the 52,000 missionaries and their thousands of retired co-religionists who are out there daily passing on THEIR message to Christians that whatever belief the Christian espouses is false and the only way to salvation is through becoming a mormon...either alive or dead.

Your cooperation is appreciated.

[Alex Murphy]

Had he existed 1500 years ago he would have been burned at the stake. Or crusified on a cross................Thats how religions get started and flourish.

Let me know when Joseph's grave is empty.

[eastforker]

Yup, it really is all about money isn’t it.More members means more dollars.Almost like TV commercials.

[Tennessee Nana]

Eh ????

[conservativegramma]

Had he existed 1500 years ago he would have been burned at the stake. Or crusified on a cross................Thats how religions get started and flourish.

Let me know when Joseph's grave is empty.

HA! Post of the day!!

[Godzilla]

Placemark

[greyfoxx39]

I agree!

[Elsie]

Then why don't you just let them revel in what they believe,true or not,and save yourself some grief and dizziness.True; there comes a time to kick the dust off yer feet and move on...

...but there are OTHER folks who read these threads and NEVER comment.

THEY are our greater audience.

[Elsie]

Then why don't you just let them revel in what they believe,true or not,and save yourself some grief and dizziness.

True; there comes a time to kick the dust off yer feet and move on...

...but there are OTHER folks who read these threads and NEVER comment.

THEY are our greater audience.

[TaraP]

I understand that and you are correct, that is why I chimed out of this thread....I meant no ill will or malice agaisnt anyone here...

GOD Bless....

[caww]

Thanks...but this is exactly what TP is trying to sway people to do when she has no knowledge of what you folks are up against....or the procedures being taken. She just doesn't understand.

Can you imagine a surgeon and His team, in the heat of reattaching a severed limb, while bullets are flying around them. His tool is sharp and cuts both ways.. it's “doubled edged”...and in comes Tara wanting to replace this with a flower!

Now once the surgeon's work is done and the “Patient” is in recovery....why then Flowers are most appropriate. But not during the procedures...and certainly not on the battlefield.

Also,.... if you've ever watched a surgical procedure being done on the battlefield...you note there are moments when the surgeon or his assistants check to see the condition of the patient. Sometimes they have to yell to keep the patient alert.... All are focused... They know what to ask... they have done this before... a life is at stake.

[Elsie]

I just KNEW it would have to be explained!

[Elsie]

 

HA! Post of the day!!

Hey Dude, RAISE YOURSELF UP FROM THE GRAVE IN THREE DAYS and then we'll compare notes.

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JESUS: Hey Smith!  Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....

 

[Colofornian]

So where in the missionary Discussions does it call you apostate personally? (It does not)

(Tell us, DU...exactly how long have you had trouble with that vocabulary word, "universal"???)

Has your church, if you have one ever claimed to be the "true church" or declared another group to be apostate (like us for example?) If so, you have nothing to complain about.

(Nice try...#1 show me a Protestant or Evangelical church which puts the word "ONLY" in front of "true" -- like the Mormons do in D&C 1:30...and then show me where they claim that's a direct revelation from God!)

OK, Theoretical question, If God causes a scripture to be written, is a church leader responsible for what it says, or God? None of the Current church leaders can in any way be held responsible for the content of the Book of Mormon. Joseph smith translated that Book by the Gift and power of God. God is responsible for what is in it, and you are free to go to him in the matter as soon and as often as you like.

More crock, DU. More shameful Lds apologetics. Simply put, you are guilty of reducing this to an issue merely of...
...Inspiration...["God said it. Go bug him."]
...And interpretation...["Smith translated that Book by the Gift and power of God Go bug him."]
...But you conveniently neglected the issue of application [see my comment below]
...As well as grassroots Mormons like yourself who has funded that application!!!

What do I mean? Let's look @ 1 Nephi 14:9-10 in the BoM. Didn't Smith date that as citing B.C. times?

If it was only a conspiracy of one -- Smith & his book of mormon --
--Or two (Smith and his god)--
---then were we to see contemporary Mormons & their leaders be magnanimous in their interpretation --
--by erroring on the side of charity...
--We would have seen these contemporaries say, "Well, 1 Nephi was written in B.C. times & what Nephi said applied to the B.C. era; therefore we won't import a B.C. description to club over the head of an A.D. dynamic."

But do we see that from Lds Inc?

In November, Restornu said to me after I pointed out that the Lds church stance on the Christian church as the "church of the devil" was still taught by Lds: "Those are your opinions just like your bais [sic] opinion that does not make them doctrines" [Restornu]

Here was my response to Restornu:

Let's just take one of those quotes and review it:

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "The church of the devil is...EVERY church except the true church, whether parading under a Christian or a pagan banner." (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:551)

McConkie says here that every non-Mormon church is the "church of the devil" -- doesn't matter if they're "Parading" under a Christian banner or a pagan one...McConkie labels us devilish.

Now this specific quotation was published second hand at: The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Seminaries and Institutes of Religion: Book of Mormon Student Manual: Chapter 4: 1Nephi 11–14: Notes and Commentary [Updated Note: A link, BTW, which has conveniently disappeared in less than two months' time]

Are telling us, Restornu that your Lds Institutes are teaching the mere "opinions" of men in their Lds Institute curricula aimed at impressionable college students? They're not teaching "doctrine?" Do you realize this comes direct from the Lds church curricula department...and is published at Lds.org?

Will you go on the record, Resty, and tell us that you have shot off an e-mail to Lds.org -- where this quote is found -- and tell them to stop teaching what you seem to claim is the doctrine of mere men?
Source: Ten Lies I Told as a Mormon Missionary [And, of course, Restornu didn't respond to the above post in November!]

So if I pay tithes to God, I am responsible for what God does with my tithing... [DU]

Well, we agree on one thing: The Mormon church is your "god," alright...(no wonder First President Marion G. Romney called the Mormon church "the way, the truth, and the life" in the early 1960s!)

Tell us, DU...did McConkie when he was alive get paid out of tithe funds by Mormons? Did the writer of The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Seminaries and Institutes of Religion: Book of Mormon Student Manual: Chapter 4: 1Nephi 11–14: Notes and Commentary get paid out of tithe funds by Mormons?

DU, if you & your fellow grassroots Mormons pay salaries of people employed to APPLY the phrase "church of the devil" (and "apostate") to us -- and if you don't put up any fuss about that -- then the labels are on YOUR head...or should I say...it's funded by your personal wallet!