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Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender
Well, thank you Tim McCarver for such a “colorful” analysis.
Ignorance can be cured, stupidity is forever.
IMO, your post is indicative of the latter when considering the numerous times you’ve had things explained to you by the “evil anti’s”.
I conclude that it indicates a tacit refusal to consider the other (”evil anti’s”) position, ergo, your claim to be “neutral” is compromised by your own bigotry.
Oh it’s just another Moron cultie trying to defend their polygamous paedophile false prophet (who, ironically,but not coincidentally, stated without equivocation that he felt more commonality and kinship with MOHAMMAD...than he did with any of the Christian sects of his day...)
In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim,
“I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]
It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.
· Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]
· Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.
· Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.
· As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.
· Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]
· Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.
· Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.
· Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.
· Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed's followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed's son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.
· Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]
Endnotes
[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”
OOOooohhh!
Did I post the REFERENCES, too?
Hey, not to change the subject, but I was just thinking when you posted your latest spam a minute ago. If you were around somewhere about 300 ad all you'd have to do is change some names and places and your spam might have worked back then too. :-)
What’s your name going to be when you become a god? I Am , Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit, Yahweh and Jehovah are already taken.
If it were me, I’d be seriously thinking about it. KInda like an academy award speech :-)
But then again, I’m just a woman so my name will never be spoken again after my husband uses it to call me out of the grave. If he so chooses.
Feel better now? I’m under no illusions. I’m used to all of those sharing your beliefs claiming ultimate objectivity.
But Thanx. Since I’m McCarver I guess it was Mr. Buck who called in sick today. :-)
But, but...what if The Living Prophet© speaks them? Aren't they as valid as scripture at least until he dies and is replaced?
Fixed it for you Resty
And you would know this HOW?
Jesus died for the sins of the world.
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No kid
Jesus died for the people of the world...
to save us from the penalty of death for our sins..
He who knew no sin became sin for us...
and was punished in our place...
Now its up to us to accept of reject whay He did...
But we must decide BEFORE we die...
Once we die its too late...
Ah, the old "you did it first" Mormon diversion tactic.
There are some Christian beliefs that are similar to muslim beliefs. I don't get all excited about it.
But I do when I'm grouped with violent, ugly, anti-patriotic behavior. Are you defending Tara's accusation or perhaps agreeing with it?
Who gets to pick which god? You?
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1 Jn.
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1 Jn. 3
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
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23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
Gal. 5
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
1 Thes. 3
12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:
So now who is following the Jesus of the Scriptures?
Matt. 5
43 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Luke 6
27 ¶ But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
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35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
So please, tell me what is insufficient or missing from the bible! Just one little truth!
Name two (giving you the benefit of the doubt)
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Just ask the Calvinists for a start!
The "Ugly" part of it yes. The violence and anti-patriotism, haven't seen it yet. But it works for "ugly." Thanx for asking. :-)
Do Mormon kids strap on bombs and walk into Restaurants?
OK, you narrowed it down to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. Now pick one please.
That's a bit off target, nothing as superficial as that is.
Those that know the truth of who the mainstream Christian Historical Jesus is aren't concerned with being "right" to observers, but to keep other posters from denigrating His attributes to something that He isn't.
In this case, having as an Apostle such as Joseph Smith which Bucolically is impossible and is an attempt by the LDS to co-opt the Son of God as their own while keeping behind the curtain all the official writings that show that their "Jesus" is quite different.
If they would just come out in the open and acknowledge their writings are antithesis to mainstream Christianity they could have their own swell religion and leave ours alone.
Where does the Holy Ghost fit in with this?
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The Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which, if he should perform in righteousness, he may pass through the same, or similar course of things that the Son has”
An account of a sermon delivered by Joseph Smith on 27 Aug 1843(Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245, punctuation and capitalization corrected)
“No member of the godhead dwells in us in the literal sense of the word, but all of them dwell in us figuratively to the extent that we are like them.”
(See Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pg 275-76)
. ...”the Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which, if he should perform in righteousness, he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has” (Words of Joseph Smith, p, 245, capitalization and punctuation corrected)
... “the Holy Ghost is yet a spiritual body and waiting to take to himself a body as the Savior did, or as God did, or the Gods before them took bodies” (Words of Joseph Smith, p. 382, capitalization and punctuation corrected)
Source: The Holy Ghost, by Joseph Fielding McConkie and Robert L. Millet, p. 9, copyright © 1989 Bookcraft, Inc
The Calvinists had a caucus here on FR? Must have been before my time. and they all got booted?
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