To: bkaycee; Jvette
And, as I told you, this is not "my" view -- and no Catholic would ever tell you that Salvation does NOT come from Christ's sacrifice. Our works cannot save us.
The Council of Trent states: "We are said to be justified by grace because nothing that precedes justification, whether faith or works, merits the grace of justification. For 'if it is by grace, it is no longer by works; otherwise,' as the apostle says, 'grace is no more grace' [Rom. 11:6]" (Decree on Justification 8).
we can do nothing to merit the grace that comes to us. In fact, the Council of Trent condemned anyone who taught that we can save ourselves or who taught even that God helps (not leads) us do what we could do for ourselves. The Church teaches that we can be saved only by Gods grace.
As Paul says, "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Phil. 2:12).
then Gal. 5:14, Gal 5:1626.
We may co-operate with God in the sense of saying 'yes', but we do not save ourselves, we do not 'initiate contact', GOD does it all -- He saves us.
Cite even one example of a Catholic denying that we are saved only by Gods grace, please. If you find one, you/I can ask him/her to quote Church doctrine -- as I have quoted to you, it is quite clear that Salvation comes from Christ's sacrifice.
526 posted on
01/04/2011 7:36:23 AM PST by
Cronos
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To: bkaycee; boatbums; Jvette; GonzoII
So, bkaycee, repeating The Church does NOT teach that Salvation is by Faith and Works, that is an incorrect statement.
The Church teaches that we can be saved only by Gods grace.
Remember that I've given you direct quotes from councils and these are Church doctrines, not my opinion
Remember that we are not a sola interpretura group -- as you can see on this thread, if one says sola scriptura then the positions held by non-Trinitarians and those denying the divinity of Christ is arrived at. By taking scripture alone, in isolation, reading as an individual, the conclusions reached by Bob and Zuriel ARE possible. That I feel is due to Sola scriptura. I'm not saying sola told them that the trinity does not exist, but sola is the rule that allowed them to get to that conclusion.
if you wish to take sola scriptura as your rule, then their positions are equally valid as your interpretation since it is an individual's interpretation.
527 posted on
01/04/2011 9:13:27 AM PST by
Cronos
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