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To: bkaycee; boatbums; Jvette; GonzoII
So, bkaycee, repeating The Church does NOT teach that Salvation is by Faith and Works, that is an incorrect statement.

The Church teaches that we can be saved only by God’s grace.


Remember that I've given you direct quotes from councils and these are Church doctrines, not my opinion

Remember that we are not a sola interpretura group -- as you can see on this thread, if one says sola scriptura then the positions held by non-Trinitarians and those denying the divinity of Christ is arrived at. By taking scripture alone, in isolation, reading as an individual, the conclusions reached by Bob and Zuriel ARE possible. That I feel is due to Sola scriptura. I'm not saying sola told them that the trinity does not exist, but sola is the rule that allowed them to get to that conclusion.

if you wish to take sola scriptura as your rule, then their positions are equally valid as your interpretation since it is an individual's interpretation.
527 posted on 01/04/2011 9:13:27 AM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: Cronos; boatbums; Jvette; GonzoII
I do not feel you understand what is meant by Sola Scriptura

Here is a good explanation of what is and is not sola scriptura.

First of all, it is not a claim that the Bible contains all knowledge. The Bible is not exhaustive in every detail. John 21:25 speaks to the fact that there are many things that Jesus said and did that are not recorded in John, or in fact in any book in the world because the whole books of the world could not contain it. But the Bible does not have to be exhaustive to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church. We do not need to know the color of Thomas' eyes. We do not need to know the menu of each meal of the Apostolic band for the Scriptures to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church.

Secondly, it is not a denial of the Church's authority to teach God's truth. I Timothy 3:15 describes the Church as "the pillar and foundation of the truth." The truth is in Jesus Christ and in His Word. The Church teaches truth and calls men to Christ and, in so doing, functions as the pillar and foundation thereof. The Church does not add revelation or rule over Scripture. The Church being the bride of Christ, listens to the Word of Christ, which is found in God-breathed Scripture.

Thirdly, it is not a denial that God's Word has been spoken. Apostolic preaching was authoritative in and of itself. Yet, the Apostles proved their message from Scripture, as we see in Acts 17:2, and 18:28, and John commended those in Ephesus for testing those who claimed to be Apostles, Revelation 2:2. The Apostles were not afraid to demonstrate the consistency between their teaching and the Old Testament.

And, finally, sola scriptura is not a denial of the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding and enlightening the Church.

What then is sola scriptura?

The doctrine of sola scriptura, simply stated, is that the Scriptures and the Scriptures alone are sufficient to function as the regula fide, the "rule of faith" for the Church. All that one must believe to be a Christian is found in Scripture and in no other source. That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian conscience. To be more specific, I provide the following definition:

The Bible claims to be the sole and sufficient rule of faith for the Christian Church. The Scriptures are not in need of any supplement. Their authority comes from their nature as God-breathed revelation. Their authority is not dependent upon man, Church or council. The Scriptures are self-consistent, self-interpreting, and self-authenticating. The Christian Church looks at the Scriptures as the only and sufficient rule of faith and the Church is always subject to the Word, and is constantly reformed thereby

http://vintage.aomin.org/SANTRAN.html

528 posted on 01/04/2011 9:36:18 AM PST by bkaycee
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