I’m not going to invite others to observe and comment. If they want to, that’s fine. I can debate without rounding up a posse of select FRiends to wage a ‘sWORDfight’.
**So, let’s understand this — you say that Jesus was a human who got God’s spirit in Him? That Jesus Christ is not God?**
You took the first sentence (seen below) and left the rest alone as if it wasn’t there; which is an EXPLANATION of the first sentence.
God is Christ, only if you’re referring to the Father dwelling in him. Most notably in John chapters 5, 8, 10, 14, 15, and 16, Jesus Christ spoke a great deal about ‘the Father’ in him, teaching him all things, telling what to say, doing the ‘works’, etc. When speaking of God dwelling in himself, the Christ calls him the Father, not the Holy Ghost.
IN those chapters are some very clear claims by the Christ:
John 5:19 “..the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..” The Man that God SENT (God doesn’t need to be sent anywhere, he’s already omnipresent) received instruction on EVERYTHING. God doesn’t need instruction on anything, for he knows ALL things.
John 5:26 “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he GIVEN to the SON to have life in himself.” God can’t be given anything he doesn’t already have. God is the giver of life, not the receiver.
John 5:27 “And hath GIVEN him (the SON) AUTHORITY to execute judgement also, because he is the Son of man.” God is the GIVER of authority, not the receiver.
John 6:37 “All that the Father hath GIVEN me shall come to me..”.
John 8:28 “..as my Father hath TAUGHT me, I speak these things.”
John 10:27-30 “My sheep hear my voice.... My Father, which GAVE them me is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one (by now you should see the flow of power consistantly coming from the Father to the Son)
John 14 is the ‘heavy iron’ of this revelation of the Godhead. “I am the way, the truth ,and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye KNOW him. and have SEEN him.......he that hath SEEN me hath SEEN the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the WORDS (REMEMBER JOHN 1:1??) that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that DWELLETH IN ME(HELLLOOOO?), he doeth the works.” vss 6-10.
The Christ still showed his dual nature of Spirit (the Father), and soul housed in flesh, when he said, “my Father is greater than I”. John 14:28
It pleased the Father that IN him (Christ) should ALL fulness dwell (Col. 1:19). Not just a portion of the Spirit of God dwells in him, but the fulness of God the Father. That’s how the Christ has all power.
Yet the ‘trinity’ logic chooses to slice, dice, and compartmentalize the infinite God. You know, the same God that you don’t call on directly much of the time, using deceased souls as an avenue of reaching God.
I asked Ben to tackle this riddle, how about you giving it a try:
Why is the term ‘God the Father’ found in scripture, but the term ‘God the Holy Ghost’(Spirit) not; and why is Jesus Christ never referred to as ‘God the Son’, but ‘the Son of God’?
Maybe you would like to execute judgement on the following as well:
In nearly every epistle’s greeting, of the churches he helped to found, Paul mentions ‘God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ’. Two things stand out in those greetings: They don’t say ‘and God the Lord Jesus Christ’; and not only is there no ‘and God the Holy Ghost’ phrase, the Holy Ghost is mostly left out of those greeting verses (kinda dissing the ‘third person’ donchathink).
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(ya know, that cartoon character of a knight in armour, on your homepage, is probably symbolic of the ‘sWORDfight’ you’ve gotten into here. The sword in the drawing is nearly as tall as the knight, and with my extensive steel fabricating background (I’ve made a few swords; ride horses too), I’m estimating it would be very difficult to win a swordfight trying to swing that mass of steel from the back of a horse. A little timing, and a light efficient sword wins handily.
I certainly not claiming that you don’t love God, but your ‘sword’ is too big and bulky, weighted down with all that man-made tradition.