Posted on 12/26/2010 5:29:46 PM PST by Colofornian
Sorry; but it's been posted over and over in these threads, from MORMON sources, that the MORMON 'christ' is VASTLY different from the one that the BIBLE has described.
And, if this thread continues, no doubt those same sources will be SHOWN again.
A, don’t call other posters “kid” it makes you look condescending.
B, so if untruths are told about anything those untruths make reality a lie?
I got tired of reading YOUR list looking for something truthful. I.E. none of what I read was correct, true, or valid.
God bless
Yup!
MORMONism sure makes them all right!
"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."---Joseph Knight's journal.
"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.
"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.
In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:
"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."
"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)
In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)
Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"("A New Witness for Christ in America,"Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)
"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.
It is MORMONism that likes to ACCUSE with no evidence.
Nana, let Proverbs 14:7 guide you with this poster ...
Yea; Brother!
Just pick and post ONE of those LIES and make them PUT up or SHUT up!
--MormonDude(I gotcher back; DU!)
IMHO no church can guarantee you heaven, and no church can deny it either. Jesus looks on the heart and will make sure that all those he calls his are saved. It's one of the reasons Mormons perform the Biblical ordinance of baptism for the dead.
(Before anyone gets bent out of shape, if you accept the atonement of Jesus Christ, you accept the principle of proxy work)
You haven't been watching...
They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.Who has made this so?Have I?Have this people?Have the world?No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.Can you pass without his inspection?No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
I have a personal anecdotal account of mormons and mormonism that I will share. When I was a kid (junior high and high school) I had a neighborhood friend whose family was mormon. In junior high my friend’s family tried to convert me to mormonism by basically using our school carpool arrangement as a method to force me to a temple after school when it was their turn to drive. After a few weeks of that, I rebelled and refused their religious advances. The father was a respected bishop in the mormon church of that area, and the first time I ever saw a penthouse magazine was when my friend pulled them out from under his parent’s bed. Later in high school I drifted apart from this particular friend as sometimes friendships do because of changing interests. My friend seemed unusually preoccupied with girls to the point of obsession, especially the “easy” ones. Later when he was accepted to BYU he bragged that the inside joke with mormons about that particular school was the following phrase “Bring ‘em virgins, bring ‘em young.”. So that’s my anecdotal story of the only openly mormon family I ever really came in contact with my entire life.
Your MORMON logic; AGAIN?
'proxy' work by HUMANs is yet another MORMON heresy.
So, Mormons are wrong because they don't agree with the definition of God created in ad 325 by a pagan?
Anyone who wants to see source material, click on my name at the bottom of this post and follow the links. I'm posting from my phone so I'm link challenged right now.
Amen...
The last thing they want is to talk to mindless opposers of logic and truth.
Don't hold your breath waiting for them to paint a target on themselves.
The link that had the really old list from the missionary handbook. It was followed by talk of a wife and arthritis, I just wondered if that was you, or the site, because I didn’t see that on the site.
You might as well fish in your bathtub, lol!
Have a good day LC!
An interesting question arises from this DU.
Mormons are big on going out and getting converts. I assume that Converts to the Mormon faith are treated as spiritual and theological equals to those born into the faith.
So if Constantine converted to Christianity, (at great risk to his throne and person I might add) how exactly was this "definition" created by a "pagan"?
(We will of course skip the more obvious argument that it was a committee of 300 religious scholars/officials not solely Constantine, all gathered to put down the vairous heresies of the day many of which the LDS are repeating now...)
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