I knew I could look up all kinds of arguments about it, but instead I just asked the Lord to show me and that first page is what He showed me.
Here: have a couple more pages...
Posted on 12/11/2010 11:46:45 AM PST by delacoert
In our conversations with Mormons we are bound to test what they believe about key issues and how they stand on things we might have heard about Mormonism. It pays to know that it is easy for a Mormon, on the pretext of giving you “milk before meat”, or simply because they don’t know their own faith very well, to be disingenuous in their answers. Here are a few typical “answers” on key subjects: “We believe in the same God as you. ‘We believe in God the eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost’(Mormon First Article of Faith)” “Of course we trust and believe in the Bible” This, again, is a disingenuous answer. The Eighth Article of faith of Mormonism declares: “We are Christians and respect other Christian denominations. We would never attack other churches as some attack us.” The Book of Mormon however declares: “All their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: ‘the draw near with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.’” (Joseph Smith History, 1:19) It seems Mormonism “doesn’t play well with others” despite their protestations to the contrary. “Of course Mormons aren’t polygamists. We renounced polygamy in the nineteenth century and those who practice it today have nothing to do with us.” It seems that the polygamist groups currently denounced and disowned by SLC Mormons are just keeping the practice warm for the day when all Mormons return to the principle. Meanwhile it is not uncommon for a SLC Mormon male to be “sealed” to more than one wife in the next life while practicing monogamy in this. It does seem less than honest to deny liability when the very texts that teach polygamy still form an integral part of Mormon “Scripture”. There is a curious irony in the fact that the familiar SLC Mormons have much in common with breakaway polygamist groups and yet they deny any family connections, instead trying at every turn to associate with the Evangelical Christian Church, with which Mormons have nothing in common. GOD
Although it has the appearance of a Trinitarian confession this does not come close to what Mormons believe about God. Joseph Smith, the founding prophet of Mormonism, said:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man…It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God…and that he was once a man like us…and you have got to learn to be Gods yourselves…the same as all Gods before you." (King Follett Discourse) THE BIBLE
"We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God"
The Bible is the only book of Scripture in Mormonism that is regarded as unreliable and its content is only respected so far as it appears to confirm the Mormon message. The message of Mormonism, such as their teaching on the nature of God, is brought to the Bible and if the Bible does not agree then it is the Bible that is considered wanting. While the Book of Mormon is considered the book of the restoration the Bible is regarded as the book of the apostasy. OTHER CHURCHES
"Behold, there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth" (1 Nephi 14:10)
There doesn’t appear to be any room for “other denominations” here and it might be worthwhile asking a Mormon which church they think you belong to. Certainly, anyone who has studied Mormonism knows that it is founded on harsh and uncompromising attacks on other churches. In his official history Joseph Smith uncompromisingly declared that God said of other churches: POLYGAMY
Two things worthy of note:
1. Polygamy is still an integral part of Mormon Scripture. Mormons might argue that the practice of circumcision is part of Christian Scripture but is no longer practised. This is comparing apples and oranges because circumcision was a mark of the Old Covenant, which was superseded by baptism under the New Covenant in Jesus Christ. Polygamy, however, is taught as an eternal principle and regarded as the order of heaven. It is described as the “new and everlasting covenant”:
"And again, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant…they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation. Then shall they be gods." (D&C 132)
The reference to Mormons becoming gods by the “new and everlasting covenant” is instructive in light of what we have already seen of the teaching that men become gods. While the familiar Salt Lake City Mormons do not currently practise polygamy, it seems it will be reinstated, if not in this life then in glory.
Sounds more like he was a convert to being a Baptist. Although I can see how (since he loved his own mother) he could be considered a Catholic.
Did he go to confession?
Not really. It was just a poor attempt at some levity while I was being inundated with photos of Jesus and Joseph Smith.
Now you know why the angels were so pissed when God gave mankind a HEAVENLY SOUL, and FREE WILL. They were so mad they went to war over it.
Ok. I get that.
Open Apology to Mormons:
I apologize for being so blunt in my previous post. I really liked a lot of the Mormons that I knew on an old message board and agreed with them on a lot of issues. Never really studied the depths of their beliefs that are so controversial here. I don’t like people bashing others faiths and then I end up doing pretty much the same thing so I apologize.
I am concerned though. Because in thinking about these things, I think it’s Galatians or Hebrews warns us about returning back to the law.
We’re not supposed to disregard the law, but we’re not saved through it.
But whatever way is right or wrong, bashing each other is no way to be and I sincerely apologize for my abruptness.
I did pray about the BOM before I opened it though. I knew I could look up all kinds of arguments about it, but instead I just asked the Lord to show me and that first page is what He showed me.
Much effort has been put forth to refute this 'bashing' sense. The threads you've been on place mormon teachings and doctrines juxtaposed against historical Christian theology - and this is 'bashing'. When mormons openly challenge historical Christian doctrines and teachings, once again it is 'bashing' for Christians to present the truth.
Provided this is the same Jen Shroder who's website has a section devoted to 'false shepards' - then I'm underwhelmed.
Why? Exposing the lies of lds is nothing to apologize for.
Yes; I did.
Is that a problem somehow?
So; you say that MORMONism of the devil?
Well; I agree with you - so what are we fussing over?
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Lol Godzilla
You know some of the attitudes, including mine, have been less than loving on this thread. And when it goes further, I sometimes call it bashing. (eek)
I’m probably being overly sensitive because it’s a downfall of my own.
And yep, I addressed ‘false shepherds’ that close their eyes to what’s happening to our kids in public schools, (i.e., asked to get on their hands and knees and pray to Allah repeating their allegiance to Allah by heart) because they were more concerned with the tithes of the academic professionals of which my community is largely made up of.
The day our pastors close their eyes to children being asked to follow Joseph Smith and praise Memoni or whatever his name is, is the day I’ll get on my soapbox and pretty much write the same thing.
I could not believe the excuses I heard. One pastor told me he wouldn’t address it because he stayed away from things like what flavor of cupcakes for the bake sale (something like that)
That happened years ago. Guess which churches flourished exponentially and which dwindled in my community? And I honestly did not go after them individually or rant to other moms, I had bigger fish to fry at that time.
And the best day was the day I ran into my son’s middle school principal at my church, where the pastor actually pointed out the errors in what is taught in public school. What a turn around. He’s come a long way from telling me he was a Christian and God had no problem with our kids on their hands and knees to other gods.
Praise God.
Mormons 'recruit' from Christianity primarily, because Pastors and families do not instill a good understanding of what being a Christian is and what to believe and why. Because mormonism uses Christian 'phrases' and words in its presentation, many falsely believe it to be Christian.
Yet as in the case with islam - mormonism is a false religion that leads its members away from God. We should be concerned that our children KNOW what they stand for - otherwise mormons (JW's and a host of other cults) will be out there hoping to get them to fall for their sales pitch.
Elsie, do you have a reason for posting a bunch of pages of that book?
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?
That was the other thing I DID notice, using the exact phrases in different contexts...of course a Christian will see the words and react positively from the familiar phrase, mixed in with other words is kind of disingenuous.
But is it the Mormon Bible or the Jehovah Witness one that uses the actual names of God rather than assigning “God” to every reference of Him. I WOULD LOVE to have a version of the Bible that does that. Does anyone know of one? I wish Tynedale would come up with that in the New American Standard or NKJV.
thus the motivation for compare and contrast 'bashing' threads here.
In order to be a convert to the Baptist movement, He would have had to wait for about 1600 years....Of course He loved His mother, He chose her from all the women in the world to bear His human body and to nurture Him as true man.....Confession??? we all know that He said, whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven....whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.....Since Jesus was, of course, sinless...He had neither sins to be forgiven nor sins to be ratained.....and of course His baptism by John was largely symbolic.....He was setting an example but certainly did not need salvation from original sin
Based upon your admission, I was having difficulty understanding your reason for your earlier ‘do you still beat your wife’ response with your open acknowledgement that you operate out of fear.
placemarker
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Genesis 3
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
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