Posted on 12/11/2010 8:23:13 AM PST by bibletruth
Can you show me the Scripture on this one? I must have missed it.
Then you do not fully understand Paul's doctrine on eternal salvation. Go ahead, live out your life with good works to attain salvation, and in the end, see where it finds you. Do not ever try to accuse me before the living God that I need to find a new belief.
I AM A BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST, I AM:
I am justified freely by God’s Grace and by Christ’s FINISHED WORK on Calvary:
Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
I am sanctified in Christ Jesus by Christ’s FINISHED WORK on Calvary:
1Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
I have been made "righteous" by (and through) Christ’s FINISHED WORK on Calvary:
Salvation and fellowship are two different things here. You can be saved and out of fellowship with God.
Philippians 1:6 "He who started a good work (salvation) in you, will carry it on to completion" (glorification). Is God a liar?
John 18:9 "I have not lost one of those you have (given) Me." He only lost one - Judas! All who are saved have been given to the care of Jesus Christ - Who will lose none of them. Was Jesus a liar?
And Judas was never saved!
No, this isn't all I hold on to, but you keep ignoring these verses, and say I don't understand. I understand his clear words in Scripture, which does not support your beliefs.
Instead of adding other verses into the discussion, please show me how the few verses I cited support your beliefs.
The devils' lies began in Genesis 3:1, and every evil thing and lie in the Bible is of the devil; which includes the presupposition that men can lose their salvation. God is in the business of providing assurance of eternal salvation, and not providing ways in which men might lose their salvation: that evil presupposition, is a lie of the devil, to cause men and women to fear that they can lose their salvation.
That kind of thinking is prevalent in the Romans Catholic 'church' and it is a lie of the devil and is a doctrine of demons.
Yes he can, and is able. It doesn't say He will keep all from falling.
Philippians 1:6 "He who started a good work (salvation) in you, will carry it on to completion" (glorification). Is God a liar?
You added the word salvation, completely changing the meaning of the Scripture.
John 18:9 "I have not lost one of those you have (given) Me." He only lost one - Judas! All who are saved have been given to the care of Jesus Christ - Who will lose none of them. Was Jesus a liar?
No Christ does not lie. I just do not know with certainty all those given to Christ.
Again, Paul was uncertain of his own salvation, and wrote that God might deliver us , according to what they have done.”, by persistence in doing good, if we endure, while ‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’
You keep repeating this! But you made this up! It is not in Scripture.
And you ignore where Paul actually says God might deliver us , according to what they have done.”, by persistence in doing good, if we endure, while ‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’
You should not simply ignore those clear passages of Scripture that disagree with your beliefs.
My Father is able to keep me, and I have the assurance He will. I lived ten years in the fear of losing my salvation, but then discovered the truth, “and Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.” I’m now free from the fear of losing my salvation and the result is a much deeper and closer walk with Him. Pray you discover the same TRUTH!
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As Did Paul. If Paul taught the assuredness of salvation, why did he write, “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling”
Your new found belief is contrary to Scripture.
As Did Paul. If Paul taught the assuredness of salvation, why did he write, “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling”
Your new found belief is contrary to Scripture.
Was Jimmy Swaggert saved before he cheated on his wife, How about Jim Baker, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that both support abortions, Jerimiah Wright who preaches intolerance and bigotry?
Nobody knows if and when then are saved until they get to heaven. If you think otherwise you are lying and preaching a false gospel.
I don’t know about anybody else, I do know about myself. I know that I have believe “according to the Scriptures,” and I have living waters flowing out of my belly. Anyone, even a born-again Christian cannot claim to be without sin. If we had to depend upon our own sinless life to make it, none of us would make it. When a person truly accepts Jesus Christ by faith and is “born-again,” he can never again die spiritually. The New Creature in Christ is an overcomer, “greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.” The resurrected power of God resides in all born-again believers, and NOTHING can separate us from Him. The born-again believer has been JUSTIFIED in Christ, a one time justification that is good once and for all. From their, comes sanctification and glorification. And whom God justified, He sanctified and glorified. Done deal, present tense with a future assurance. I once believed you could lose your salvation. For ten years I walked in fear of losing it and worked hard to keep it. After much diligent study of God’s Word and via that “still small voice” of the Spirit, I am now free from that fear. “Perfect love casts ot fear.” God’s love is perfect, He has justified me, sanctified me, and will glorify me. That’s His promise!
1 John 5:17
I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that YOU MAY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE."
Is it eternal as John states or is it not eternal. The essence of eternal is everlasting -- as in life everlasting. If it is eternal, it is everlasting and nothing can negate it. If you can lose it, it's not eternal! I believe in Jesus Christ acccording to the Scriptures and have experiened His resurrection power in my life. I'm saved and know it. I'm secure and know it! How do I know it? Because I rest in His righteousness and not my own. His righteousness is steadfast, sure, and faithful. That's why the "just will live by faith." Can you know or can you not know? According to John you can know. I'll take the promise of God's Word thank you very much.
As for Jimmy Swaggart and any others, I cannot answer for them. If they have truly been born again, they will be in heaven like all the rest. Being born again doesn't mean we are exempt from falling into sin, it means we are free from the penalty of sin (spiritual death). I must leave them to God's judgment, He has not given me that kind of authority.
I've heard that idea before. It always sounded very strange to me. What kind of "salvation" can there be exclusive of fellowship with God? If you're "out of fellowship with God," you're in hell, or on your way there. That's where the people who are out of fellowship with God go to be permanently out of fellowship with God.
You can't work something out you don't already have. If you have it, you have it. You make the best of it. Working it out and maintaining it are two different issues. Working it out means there is going to be some battles, there is going to take some effort on my part to resist temptation and overcome by His grace. He is the one who maintains me by His righteousness. I'm to walk in the abundant life He has given me. As a matter of fact, coming to the understanding that salvation is a gift that cannot be earned nor maintained by works is part of "working it out." I pray you'll get it worked out.
Well, it’s kinda like this. I have an earthly mother and an earthly dad. They will always be my parents by birth. Nothing can ever negate that fact. Now, we may have a falling out and not talk for days, weeks, months, or years. We are not fellowshipping, we are not communicating with one another because one of us has sinned. In the case of God, we may break fellowship by sinning, but He is still my Father because I have been born-again (spiritual birth). I now have divine life because I have been born of God. Divine life cannot be destroyed. Why? Because by nature it is everlasting! It cannot die! I may rebell through some sin and break fellowship with God; however, I am still His child and always will be. The part of me in rebellion is the old carnal nature. That nature will be gone forever when I leave this body “to be with the Lord.”
Thank you for the obligatory Catholic-bash. The real lie of the devil and the real doctrine of demons is right there in Genesis 3: 4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’”
"'You will not surely die' ... commit any sin you want, do anything you want, God won't send you to hell once you've prayed the sinner's prayer and answered the altar call! You'll have absolute assurance of salvation!"
That's a real doctrine of demons -- you have Genesis 3's assurance on it; straight from the demon's mouth.
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. -- 1 Corinthians 15:1-2Who is Paul speaking to? Who among his readers in the Corinthian church had "believed in vain"?
If you don't have fellowship with God, do you think that's because God doesn't want fellowship with you, or because you have demonstrated that you prefer your sins to fellowship with God? (Not a trick question! It's the latter, every single time.)
If you prefer your sins to fellowship with God, don't you think he's going to give you what you want?
Divine life is everlasting, but presence of divine life in your soul is not. It had a beginning, and it can have an ending if you sin mortally (cf 1 John 5:16-17).
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