Posted on 12/06/2010 1:48:11 PM PST by T Minus Four
Beginning in the early 1990s, several Latter-day Saints jumped on the Great Lakes Book of Mormon geography bandwagon.
Because the Great Lakes and Mesoamerican models are by far the two most popular, I plan to spend the next several issues discussing them.
The first Latter-day Saint to publish a Great Lakes model appears to be Delbert Curtis, who in 1988 published the booklet “The Land of the Nephites.” In 1993, he expanded his argument in his book "Christ in North America."
Since 1988, other Latter-day Saint authors have also promoted their version of the Great Lakes model. These include Duane Aston, "Return to Cumorah" (1998) and "The Other Side of Cumorah" (2003); Paul Hedengren, "The Land of Lehi" (1995); Phyllis Olive, "Lost Lands of the Book of Mormon" (2000); Ed Goble with Wayne May, "This Land, Zarahemla and the Nephite Nation: Only One Cumorah" (2002); Rodney Meldrum, "DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography" (DVD, 2003) and "Rediscovering the Book of Mormon Remnant through DNA" (2009); and Meldrum with Burce Porter, "Prophecies and Promises: The Book of Mormon & The United States of America" (2009).
Tangentially (unrelated to the strength or weakness of any model) there are some interesting dynamics among some of these authors. Duane Aston was once a supporter of a Mesoamerican model but shifted his focus to the Great Lakes region. Conversely, Ed Goble once believed that Book of Mormon events happened in the Great Lakes vicinity but now leans in favor of a Mesoamerican model.
May, Meldrum, Porter and LDS Travel Agency President Brian Mickelsen were all partners in a Book of Mormon geography group that formed a website and sponsored seminars, but Meldrum eventually left the group for financial reasons. According to Michael De Groote’s Deseret News article, due to disputes in the sharing of profits, Meldrum decided to host his own conference.
"(I)t’s what Rod does for a living,” Porter told the Deseret News, “and everybody has a right to earn a living …”
The quality of arguments for a Great Lakes model varies from proponent to proponent and ranges from scholarly and informed to naïve and uninformed. Common arguments that can be found in the works of several advocates include the following:
1. The word “lake” is never used in the Book of Mormon (other than metaphorically). The word “sea” could easily refer to “lakes” just as the Dead Sea doesn’t denote an actual sea, therefore the Great Lakes could be the Book of Mormon “seas.”
2. The Cumorah of the Book of Mormon is the same hill in New York from which Joseph retrieved the plates.
3. The Book of Mormon contains prophecies about the promised land that have been fulfilled (or are yet to be fulfilled) in — and only in — the United States of America (hence, this would rule out any non-U.S. geographic model).
4. Joseph Smith made several comments which suggest that ancient remains discovered in their vicinity once belonged to Book of Mormon peoples.
5. Joseph Smith and the Doctrine & Covenants refer to the Native Americans in their area as Lamanites.
Some Great-Lake promoters have also claimed the following:
6. DNA science gives strong indication that some Native Americans — specifically those in one Great Lakes model — are descendants of Middle Eastern nations.
7. Some ancient American artifacts — specifically those known as the "Michigan Relics" — provide powerful evidence that the Bible was known in the pre-Columbian American Northeast.
In the next few issues, I’d like to address the five most common claims that seem to support the Great Lakes model, but in this issue I will address the last two topics on the list: DNA and the "Michigan Relics."
In several earlier articles, I demonstrated that DNA cannot currently (and might never be able to) verify the Book of Mormon. Those who claim otherwise, or who claim that DNA supports their particular geographic model, buttress their claims by cherry-picking scientific quotes and distorting their context while actually rejecting the very science behind DNA research. In a recent review of the topic published by BYU’s Maxwell Institute, Dr. Gregory Smith details why the DNA-proves-the-Book-of-Mormon claim is false.
The "Michigan Relics" are a loose collection of copper, slate and clay pieces discovered in the Hopewell Indian mounds of Michigan from the late 19th century until the 1920s. Many of these relics are inscribed with various Old World (or supposed Old World) texts or with graphics depicting various scenes from the Bible.
The problem is that the relics are all fakes — hoaxes produced, buried, “discovered” and marketed by several men looking for fame and fortune.
After carefully examining the relics, Elder James Talmage (a scientist and apostle) declared them to be blatant forgeries. Several non-LDS scientists have agreed. The "Michigan Relics" do not support the Book of Mormon (or one particular geography), and it is deceptive to suggest that they do.
Michael R. Ash is on the management team for FAIR (the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research — FAIRLDS.org) and is the author of "Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One's Testimony In the Face of Criticism and Doubt" (ShakenFaithSyndrome.com) and "Of Faith and Reason: 80 Evidences Supporting the Prophet Joseph Smith" (OfFaithandReason.com). Michael's column, "Challenging Issues, Keeping the Faith," appears Mondays on MormonTimes.com.
E-mail: mike@shakenfaithsyndrome.com
Evidence of ancient Holy Underwear or it didn’t happen!
To dispose of worn-out temple garments, members should cut out and destroy the marks. Members then cut up the remaining fabric so it cannot be identified as a garment. Once the marks are removed, the fabric is not considered sacred.
So I surmise that using the cut up pieces as shop rags will not get you into the inner sanctum of Heaven?
As long as someone is a good Christian—definitive meaning trying to be as much like Jesus as possible—I don’t care about what dogma caused them to arrive at their personal state of grace.
Seems Mormons and Catholics always have something to prove on FR and I can’t for the life of me fathom that much spiritual insecurity.
Remember,God is both all powerful and all just so no matter what you do or think in life; in the afterlife you will be exactly where you deserve to be.
Maybe they'll have a rumble!
Oops,I meant God is all MERCIFUL and all just.
Big dif.
Beats me, it's not addressed on the progress chart.
I'm Catholic and I have nothing to prove here. The situation in the Religion Forum on Open Threads is that anyone can say anything about another's religion, and if the adherents get upset about it, they are the troublemakers. We are supposed to defend our faith, without making it personal, against every filthy attack the few bigoted protestants can come up with. Many of us have quit bothering, on the supposition that no one is stupid enough to believe their ugly fictions, but there are a few Catholics and some just non-Catholics who will try, from time to time, to get the truth out.
As opposed to bad Christians? I'm must be in the bad catagory. I can't go long without sinning. I KNOW I can't do miracles or raise myself from the dead. I can't part waters at all, or walk on them. I can hand out aspirin and bandaids but I know it's not really me healing. Heck, I can't heal a paper cut.
Guess I'm doomed.
LOL! That was so...impersonal.
Harry Reid and Orrin Hatch vs Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry?
More of a rumpus than a rumble.
Yes, it was.
Anyway, although I have no idea what this thread has to do with Catholicism, I would dare say I am more Catholic than Nancy Pelosi. At least I’m avidly anti-abortion.
Didn’t I say “TRY” to be like Christ?
Please don’t think I’m so stupid as to think anyone else can actually “BE” perfection made flesh.
Oh I try. And fail miserably.
How’s it working out for you?
Praise God! We can agree. ;-D
Indeed of the many things that mainline (ie not of the reservation) Protestant Faiths AND Catholics agree on is that Mormonism id far from Christian.
Perhaps you should study what the LDS actually say about our Savior...
www.lds.org...
And note I sent you to THEIR site...
And please point out where it says that you get an “A” for effort. Does God grade on the curve?
That is “off the reservation”...
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