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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: jafojeffsurf; count-your-change
Well other Saints have been seen also. I just did a blurb on St Nicholas (Feast day Dec 6) whom has a history of being seen on ships astray in bad weather.

If I could cause my image to appear, I think I'd work with beer foam.

321 posted on 12/05/2010 9:16:00 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: SumProVita

May God

lead you ever closer to

HIS TRUTH,
HIS WORD,
HIS WILL,
HIMSELF.


322 posted on 12/05/2010 9:16:21 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

>>How fluent are you in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic?<<

I make no representations as to the inaccuracy of interpretations.

Those who say the RCC is “wrong” and “not truly representative of the Bible” must defend that charge by supporting the accuracy of their interpretation (of the interpretation).

Heck, linguistic scholars can’t even agree on “Nom” — how can someone with a few years’ experience whose theological schooling consists of reading cherry-picked phrases from a bad interpretation of the Bible come to the conclusion the RCC and its 1,000+ years of scholarship and billions of adherents are “just wrong?”

The onus is not on me. Your argument is forensically flawed.

And my Aramaic is admittedly rusty.


323 posted on 12/05/2010 9:16:37 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: Quix

Exactly! He wasn’t PC - He called it what it was/is for correction. But thin skinned see it as condemnation.


324 posted on 12/05/2010 9:16:54 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: metmom

How fluent are you in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic?


325 posted on 12/05/2010 9:17:15 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Quix

It’s nothing more than their IMPLICITLY reading between the lines again. They do it in Scripture, in order to invent doctrine. And they do it in posts, in order to get threads locked when they become uncomfortable.


326 posted on 12/05/2010 9:18:06 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: presently no screen name

INDEED.

THX.

Perhaps the thin-skinned

and/or

the guilty

see it as condemnation.


327 posted on 12/05/2010 9:18:42 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Running On Empty
The problem of conceptualizing all this seems to center on our understanding of Dimension Time. we think it is linear and it is probably a volume. The foreknowledge of God Almighty hints strongly at the volume of Time from His perspective.

It amuses me when someone doubts the virign birth yet believes Jesus rose from the dead by leaving the stone tomb without rolling away the stone and appeared in a room where the doors and windows were locked! Leaving Mary's womb and appearing then in our where/when was no great difficulty for the God to Whom Time is a volume. If these discussions didn't get so nasty with each other (proddies and Catholics ... I'm a proddy, BTW), they would be amusing to follow.

328 posted on 12/05/2010 9:18:48 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: freedumb2003

Jesus is THE ROCK.


329 posted on 12/05/2010 9:18:48 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: RnMomof7

I a Catholic told me that Mary’s mother was also sinless. How could she have produced a sinless mother of Jesus if not? And how far back do you want to take that? Down through all of Mary’s lineage? Her whole linage had to have been sinless then.


330 posted on 12/05/2010 9:19:47 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only a lawyer and a painter can change black to white)
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To: RnMomof7

We Orthodox teach that Mary committed no personal sins, while rejecting the Latin innovation of the “Immaculate Conception” (which we see as a needless fix to a spurious problem created by simultaneously maintaining the true patristic understanding of Mary’s purity and accepting Blessed Augustine’s account of the effects of the Fall, unaccountably while rejecting his traductionist theory of the origin of the soul on which, in his own thinking, the theory rested).

Now there is some variance of opinion as to what is meant by this, as we recognize both voluntary and involuntary sins. Some Orthodox hold that Mary committed no sins—period. Others hold that she committed no voluntary sins—which is easier to square with “no man (anthropos) liveth and sinneth not, and Thou only art beyond sin”.


331 posted on 12/05/2010 9:19:53 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: RnMomof7

A Catholic told me that Mary’s mother was also sinless. How could she have produced a sinless mother of Jesus if not? And how far back do you want to take that? Down through all of Mary’s lineage? Her whole linage had to have been sinless then.


332 posted on 12/05/2010 9:20:09 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only a lawyer and a painter can change black to white)
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To: Quix
Dude you have GOT to reign in that use of HTML font stuff...
333 posted on 12/05/2010 9:20:33 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: smvoice; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

It’s nothing more than their IMPLICITLY reading between the lines again. They do it in Scripture, in order to invent doctrine. And they do it in posts, in order to get threads locked when they become uncomfortable.


Absolutely indeed.

It occurs to me . . . some ask about Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic scholarship, fluency etc.

It seems to me, the worst amongs the Proddys in terms of such scholarship

ARE EXCEEDINGLY LIGHT YEARS BEYOND, BETTER THAN

the most learned RC’s when it comes to

Simple Biblical understanding and discernment;

understanding basic honest logic and truthfulness

etc. etc. etc.

Sheesh what duplicitous jerks populate the other side.


334 posted on 12/05/2010 9:21:07 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: SumProVita

Thank you. I am blessed. He has blessed me mightily.


335 posted on 12/05/2010 9:21:50 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Quix; Religion Moderator

**And such a mentality has the cluelessness **

**I’m beginning to think they have not a shred of a clue about how they look to rational humans. **

Are you trying to mind-read again?


336 posted on 12/05/2010 9:22:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: freedumb2003
The Mother of Jesus appearing to a simple country farmer — speaking of the Love of God and resulting in the conversion of an entire hemisphere of the world from paganism to Christianity — is hardly a “distraction.”

An honest assessment of the Christianity of Latin America reveals a great deal of paganism.

Plenty of converts from Islam have reported that Jesus appeared to them, prompting their conversion. Considering the risk they take for their new faith, I believe their claims. The visitations by saints do not quite ring as true.

337 posted on 12/05/2010 9:23:33 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: presently no screen name
Jesus is THE ROCK.

Thanks for making my point about flawed interpretations. Since Jesus was talking to (then-named) Simon and establishing him as Pope Peter ("Petros" and variants is the word for "rock" in almost all Latin and ME languages). There is Biblical support for the line of succession from Peter to the modern day Pope.

You can't even get it right with a simple English translation -- how in the world do you think you or anyone else can condemn the RCC as not adhering to the Bible?

338 posted on 12/05/2010 9:25:12 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: narses; Salvation; All
This thread has received thirteen abuse reports in the last hour.

Attempts to get this thread pulled or locked by abusing the moderators will fail.

339 posted on 12/05/2010 9:25:17 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Salvation; Quix; Religion Moderator; Jim Robinson

Quix appears to have a very special exemption from the rules of civil conduct here. He can post pictures of asses, make nasty comments and read minds all without fear of correction. Very odd.


340 posted on 12/05/2010 9:25:57 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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