Posted on 12/03/2010 4:14:50 PM PST by bibletruth
1 Timothy 2:5 ...one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
There is NO debate here: God's Word clearly points out who the mediator is between God and men: i.e., Christ Jesus
If you believe in God's Word, who is Christ Jesus: The Word of God, then 1 Timothy 2:5 will be easily be understood as Christ the mediator.
Below are the examples
of exalting other deities.
They are real.
They are serious.
They are owned,
operated in,
manifested in,
heart-felt wallowed in
by millions of Roman Catholics around the world.
Pretending otherwise does not change the facts.
White washing it with magicsterical diplospeak
doesn't change the facts.
Rationalizing it with 101 weasel words
doesn't change the facts.
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the FACTS are easy enough to see below
for anyone with
more discernment than a gnat's.
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Those reading this with any consciousness above comotose
no longer have any excuse.
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Holy Spirit will be nudging, urging, forsaking of all such
--ALL HINT OF SUCH--
IGNORING HIS LEADING, NUDGING, URGING
in such matters can be spiritually deadly.
Very spiritually deadly.
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ONCE AGAIN,
just a small part of
THE EVIDENCE: .
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Here's the title:
And it carries the official sanctions of:
nihil obstat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.
WITH RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHINGS IMPRIMATUR
Let me track down the brief portion of quotes upthread . . .
Here they are:
However, as we've seen through a variety of sources--a pile of them in Ferraro's manual about the Rosary--the Roman Catholic et al/Vatican Edifice disagrees with a lot of the claims of RC's hereon to the contrary.
p.32
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[Quixicated emphases below]
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .
p32
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.
5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.
6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.
"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor
p37
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! --Partial Indulgence
p41
"Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18
p43
1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!"
p45
6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'
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[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance?]
p46
7 - "Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue."
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[Qx: I guess Christ's conquering on The Cross and HIS conquering trip to hell were unncessary?]
9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'
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[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary? That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God!]
p47
4 - "Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.'
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[Qx: Evidently, she beat Christ to the job of vanquishing sin!]
5 - "She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought."
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[QX: What an unnecessary waste of precious Blood and suffering on THE CROSS!!!/sar]
p47
10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."
p50
8 - "If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between HIm and us?"
p50
4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."
Not an unimportant point. Her fiat to God through the angel Gabriel in His plan of our Salvation History has everything to do with Eternity for all of Creation.
False to fact. Every major Sacramental Christian denomination holds that Mary is the Mother of God.
Are you pagan?
If the creator of the universe goddess' are worshipped by Pagans. Those who seek salvation from YHvH Let me guide you slowly through this.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
has a mother she is by definition a goddess.
the creator of the universe
they know that He does not have a mother.
The OT Saints were saved by Faith, just as are the NT saints.. there were people saved before Mary ...she would not be the FIRST person saved (as you claimed earlier) because she was "free " from the sin of Adam..she would be saved as were all the OT saints by FAITH
One can go on and on about the location of the saved OT saints..but to say SHE was the first is simply NOT ACCURATE. There are some mysteries that belong only to God.. and among those is where Elijah rode off to in his chariot and where the OT saints came from that appeared at the transfiguration.. heaven? Abraham's Bosom?
Mary was a disciple of Christ. She did not die, and go to Sheol, as the prophets of old did.
She would have gone right were the thief on the cross went.. she would have met him there.. because he preceded her.. ... as did all the OT saints..
we can safely know that Mary was greater than John.
Only because YOU say so?/Show me in scripture where Christ addresses the spiritual condition of Mary??..actually what He said was that those that believe in Him are His mother and his brothers..
I am as dear to Christ as His earthly mother
Honey pie..I asked a very direct question IN YOUR PRACTICE how does YOUR Veneration differ from YOUR worship..if you can not answer that all you have is word play that all the protestants here see through
Jesus was referring to the traditions of the rabbis.
Catholic tradition is CHRISTIAN tradition.
So sweetie tell us how your sect worships God?
As for your questions, asked and answered. If you need more, find a priest.
A simple question, what sect do you belong to?
“... honor, venerate, revere, adore, glorify, idolize, adulate.***
Your definition above includes honor. If I say I honor my husband, does it mean I idolize him?
I’ll give you one of my favorite words: SANGUINE
It can mean either bloody or peaceful. Amazing how words can have different meanings according how they are used.
Take your pick. We Catholics have taken ours when it comes to honor or love.
And again from the terminally obtuse comes nothing of merit or intelligence. Lacking any cogent or articulatable thought to express their irrational hatred for Catholicism and things they are not able to comprehend the feeble minded often resort to jingoisms and imagery. Could this be the onset of senile dementia or simply the manifestation of prejudice?
"The Mass is Idolatry. All worshipping, honouring, or service invented by the brain of man in the religion of God, without his own express commandment, is idolatry. The Mass is invented by the brain of man, without any commandment of God; therefore it is idolatry." John Knox
The offering of Christ, once made, is that perfect redemption, propitiation, and satisfaction for all the sins of the whole world, doth original and actual; and there is none other satisfaction for sin but that alone. Wherefore the sacrifice of masses, in the which it is commonly said that the priest doeth offer Christ for the quick and the dead, to have remission of pain or guilt, is a blasphemous fable and a dangerous deceit.John Wesley
Wanna guess again...LOL
So your sect or splinter of the church does NOT celebrate the Eucharist?
Why make anyone guess? You claim to belong to the one true church, right? What is the name of your splintered sect?
Every Catholic here that bows a knee to her, prays to her, has lit a candle before her statue or thinks her sex life has anything to do with their salvation.. and my guess is that is all of ya :)
Catholic tradition is CHRISTIAN tradition.
I don't think most followers of the Messiah believe
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
in the magic trick of making a matzoh and some
passover wine into the creator of the universe.
Actually, after some of the truly ugly things said about the Mother of God here on FR’s religion forum, I wonder if these people are familiar with any good mothers?
Because children with healthy, loving mothers and grandmothers love them, feel safe with them, revere them, go to them for comfort and peace...in their mothers’ and grandmothers’ older years, they help them, protect them, provide for them, and defend them.
In this society today, with all the damage done to the nuclear family, we concentrate most on the absence of fathers, when in reality the fracturing of the mother/child relationship may be much more serious. Unwed, prostitute, drug addicted, ignorant, petty, vain, obese — helps me understand why some would be so vicious about Christ’s Holy Mother, the humble maiden who was set aside by God to be the Mother of God His Son...set aside for all eternity to be the first follower of Christ, to bear Him, nurture Him, cuddle and play with Him — to be the Mother of the Church, as well, to give us all her joy and mercy, to point us ever to her Son. Her beauty and goodness are a reproach to the mothers of the bigots, thus the bigots hate.
Just sayin.
Just tell me IN PRACTICE how does YOUR veneration of Mary differ from your worship of God??
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