One Mediator Between God and Men: CHRIST JESUS

2010 | God's Word

[bibletruth]

1 Timothy 2:5 ...one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

There is NO debate here: God's Word clearly points out who the mediator is between God and men: i.e., Christ Jesus

If you believe in God's Word, who is Christ Jesus: The Word of God, then 1 Timothy 2:5 will be easily be understood as Christ the mediator.

[Religion Moderator]

Source?

[narses]

Hey, Holy Writ is CLEAR. Since they idolize Sola Scriptura, they ought to pay attention. Sadly apostates and idolators rarely have any ability to read or comprehend Truth, even when it is in black and white.

[narses]

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/general/Christ.htm

[Zuriel]

Well said! Go to the head of the class!

[presently no screen name]

God led you away or was it one of those below the belt issues that account for the vast majority of people leaving the Church. Was it a divorce, or birth control, or some other moral issue that the Church remained too inflexible on?

God led me away. I wasn't looking to change anything. Like most Catholics I believed what I was told from 1st grade, I never questioned it. Family (huge) all Catholics, friends all Catholics. The thought of leaving never entered my mind. Leave, why? Leave to go where?

Was it a divorce, or birth control, or some other moral issue that the Church remained too inflexible on?

I had nothing to compare it to and there was no need to compare. That was all I knew, the RCC. Family/friends never discussed church or what went on. Other than,' my parish is having a dance, or some event'. Rules/doctrine were never debated. When you are in it and raised in it - that's all you know. Being told this is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church - and if you go to another non catholic church it was a sin. I knew that was a sin I wouldn't commit because I had no desire to go anywhere else.

Much later on, the one thing that bothered me was the priest was not the only one giving out Holy Communion. I was trained that it is holy and only a priest could. Then one day, my parish had lay people giving it out. I was on the side of the church and the priest was giving out Holy Communion in the middle with the two lays on the side. I had to walk in the opposite direction and to go up the middle aisle. I knew people noticed and at the end of Mass, some one from the parish came over and asked me about it. I told him how I felt and he agreed. I took what I was taught VERY seriously. Obviously, he did, also.

All the changes made from - it's ok now to eat meat on Fridays along with the rest of it - didn't bother me but more bothered I wouldn't remember the changes. But anyone other than the priest giving HC out bothered me greatly. And that was all from how I was trained from the beginning. If something is wrong, how come it still isn't wrong. What changed? No excuse was good enough because it was so ingrained in me that it was wrong.

If it's ingrained in you that you are in the 'right church' what is there to question? At least, for me I never questioned and wasn't around anyone that did.

[Natural Law]

"No need for him to pretend to change a wheat wafer into flesh and blood and feed it to you."

You are clearly at odds with Protestantism. Luther wrote extensively on the subject and even Calvin was conflicted, often contradicting his earlier positions.

[narses]

The “Spirit” of Vatican II at work. Very sad.

[metmom]

This is the council at Jerusalem which the Catholics claim Peter chaired.

Acts 15: 19-29 Therefore my [James] judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and

from blood.

For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues."

Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:

The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:

that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood,

and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."

John 6: 35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

Does this mean that Jesus is saying that He's made up of dough?

John 15:1, 5"I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.

I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.

Do Catholics teach that Jesus is green and leafy? Or that the apostles were made out of wood?

[presently no screen name]

Yep - what’s in them comes out.

Luke 6:45 “The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks”.

[metmom]

Nope...

Read Exodus 12 sometime about the Passover. What Jesus was celebrating was the Passover. The Passover pointed to Him. Different aspects of the Passover meal represented Jesus Himself so that the Jews would recognize the Messiah when He came.

What He was doing in making those statements was telling the disciples what the different elements of the Passover meal represented.

He is the lamb without spot or blemish. Notice here in Exodus 12:43-46 And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "This is the statute of the Passover: no foreigner shall eat of it, but every slave that is bought for money may eat of it after you have circumcised him. No foreigner or hired servant may eat of it. It shall be eaten in one house; you shall not take any of the flesh outside the house, and you shall not break any of its bones.

Notice the prohibition against breaking the bones of the Passover lamb. Jesus not having any bones broken fulfilled that and other prophecy.

Exodus 12:[15] Seven days shall you eat unleavened bread: in the first day there shall be no leaven in your houses: whosoever shall eat any thing leavened, from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall perish out of Israel.

Leaven represents sin in Scripture. Unleavened bread represents the sinless body of Christ.

What Jesus was doing in saying that the bread was His body, was telling them what the bread in reality represented. Same with the wine. Jesus called the cup the fruit of the vine even though He told them that it represented His blood.

Nowhere in Scripture is there a record of Him giving instructions on how to perform a mass. The prohibition against drinking blood has never been lifted and as a matter of fact, is one of the few OT commands to be reiterated by the Council of Jerusalem.

The cup could not have been turned into actual blood during that Passover meal because if they had drunk it it would have defiled them. Jesus especially could not have drunk His own blood as that would have defiled Him and rendered Him incapable of being the spotless, sinless sacrifice for our sins.

Peter, in the book of Acts, said that he had never eaten or drunk anything prohibited by Scripture (unclean), which means that he KNEW that what he drank in the Passover meal was not blood. Otherwise, he could not have made that claim.

That the communion service is just another REPRESENTATION of Christ's death fits in very well with other Scriptural teaching, while claiming that the body and blood turn into the actual, literal flesh and blood of Jesus is contrary to Scripture.

A figurative reading of the Last Supper concerning His body and blood is a legitimate reading of the passage.

A literal reading is not indicated because of the contradictions with other passages of Scripture.

[metmom]

God led you away or was it one of those below the belt issues that account for the vast majority of people leaving the Church. Was it a divorce, or birth control, or some other moral issue that the Church remained too inflexible on?

What is it with Catholics constant obsession with sex?

First is was snarky remarks about his marriage, and now it's snarky remarks about his moral integrity.

[presently no screen name]

Narses, you need a reading comprehension class or you have a fetish of attaching yourself to others - what they do or say with your cheap shots, sarcasm, low life thinking.

That is my testimony, not yours. It had nothing to do w/Vat II. If it were, I would say it proudly but I left long after Vat II. Someone asked me, and I responded honestly. You seem not to be too found of honesty nor know it when you see it.

Bottom line - you don’t have what I have but you want it because you keep taking what I say and making yourself part of it. You aren’t part of my testimony - so keep your thoughts out of it.

Get a life. Your clinginess is showing.

[presently no screen name]

Like their obsession with virginity.

[caww]

You are trying to justify praying to the departed....

My source...Gods word. It would give you and those who believe they are communicating to departed saints an education in what Christ warns us of and what the boundaries are we are not to cross. We are not to attempt “Crossing over” those boundaries...but the imagination of ones mind certainly can trick him to believe he has done so...as well as his fantasies.

Use of these men does not justify your stance....they were not praying to departed people...not a one. These men were great men of faith and with special missions. Rather than accept the literature the catholic church uses to promote their beliefs and what they require their members to believe...read the accounts in full of these men in Gods word yourself...and learn why, who, where and with what purpose God elected them. You will find that in their time God did many amazing things to advance the Gospel and His plan for men....we now know what the gospel is..and we know what He expects of us.

As for what Revelations speaks of...this is the future for the most part and not yet in our time...further we have work yet to do for Him... and are called to look for His coming. Not go off into the tangets which shipwreck peoples faith.

There are those that seek that which God has determined not to show us...you tread on dangerous ground when you attempt to go beyond what He has revealed...and dabble in the spiritual realms.

[caww]

You are trying to justify praying to the departed....

My source...Gods word. It would give you and those who believe they are communicating to departed saints an education in what Christ warns us of and what the boundaries are we are not to cross. We are not to attempt “Crossing over” those boundaries...but the imagination of ones mind certainly can trick him to believe he has done so...as well as his fantasies.

Use of these men does not justify your stance....they were not praying to departed people...not a one. These men were great men of faith and with special missions. Rather than accept the literature the catholic church uses to promote their beliefs and what they require their members to believe...read the accounts in full of these men in Gods word yourself...and learn why, who, where and with what purpose God elected them. You will find that in their time God did many amazing things to advance the Gospel and His plan for men....we now know what the gospel is..and we know what He expects of us.

As for what Revelations speaks of...this is the future for the most part and not yet in our time...further we have work yet to do for Him... and are called to look for His coming. Not go off into the tangets which shipwreck peoples faith.

There are those that seek that which God has determined not to show us...you tread on dangerous ground when you attempt to go beyond what He has revealed...and dabble in the spiritual realms.

[caww]

Some are absolutely infatuated with Mary...but not in any spiritual way, rather they do use their religion as a cloak to cover their fantasies and hightened desires toward Mary. Somewhat like those who became Priests in order to have access to children..and or homosexuals... knowing the church will protect them...and in fact with Mary the church encourages their fantasies.

[count-your-change]

“A literal reading is not indicated because of the contradictions with other passages of Scripture.”

Indeed so. In view of the other figurative descriptions of Jesus, lamb, lion, bread, shepherd, etc. it must be explained why “This is my body” CANNOT mean “This means my body”.

[Iscool]

Neither side cares to seek to understand the other, dare I say it, to love the other, to say nothing of working out a modus vivendi; it's just a matter of scoring points, of counting coup.

Is this some religious variant of the silly idea that "he who dies having scored the most points, wins"? Wins what, exactly?It can't be eternal life, because that requires actually keeping the Commandments rather than luxuriating in the deadliest of the Seven Deadly Sins, viz., pride.

Then pealed the bells more loud and deep:
"God is not dead, nor doth he sleep;
The wrong shall fail, the right prevail,
With peace on earth, good will to men."

Nice pious rant...

You apparently unwittingly gave the reason for these discussions that are so tasteless to you...

because that requires actually keeping the Commandments

It appears you have failed to understand why Jesus became our Sacrifice and died for us...Jesus died because He knew we could not keep the Commandments....

And just as your song points out,

The wrong shall fail, the right prevail

we are not all in an ecumenical, all religons are OK, lovefest...

When folks believe they can obtain eternal life (in heaven) by their own good deeds, as keeping the Commandments entails, they are in the 'wrong shall fail' group...

It is our duty as Christians to lead to those to God's word that they may know the way to eternal life...

[rwilson99]

So for the first 1500 years after Christ’s death and resurrection... John 3:16 didn’t apply.

I find that theology quite sad and utterly lacking.