Joseph Smith Married Other Men's Wives: Would you share your spouse with the Prophet?

Rethinking Mormonism ^

[Utah Binger]

HEY! Whatcha lookin' at?

[Elsie]

Keep in mind the Mormon Church did not allow black membership until the 1960's.

Oh; they could be MEMBERS, but could NOT attain a high ranging position in the church.

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young - President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

[Elsie]

Didn't one of them recently get Viking Kittified by JIM?

[Elsie]

He was much like the guy in Crime and Punishment...

Or on the Titanic!

[Elsie]

Joey Smith declared himself king of the world and above all laws...

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"Joseph; I advise you not to go to that jail."

 

"Darn gnats!!"

 

 

"Joseph; I'm telling you to not to go to that jail."

 

"Flies are BAD today!!"

 

 

"Joseph; It ain't gonna be pretty if you ignore me and go to that jail!"

 

"Crummy mosquitos are EVERYWHERE!!!"

 

 

"Joseph!  Do NOT go to that jail!"

 

"And those bedbugs really savaged me last night, too!"

 

 

"JOSEPH!!  Wake up boy!   Do Not Go To That JAIL!!!"

 

"All right Sheriff - here I am, so give me a nice room while my Lawyer, my Advocate, my Comforter presents the LAW to the Judge and I am VINDICATED!!!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...and the rest is history.

[Osage Orange]

LDS, Inc.....

It’s an industry whose existence and success depends on spreading rumors, half-truths, and outright lies

[Elsie]

A few days back I got a FReepmail from someone, slandering and making derogatory remarks about Elsie. I promptly sent it, in its entirety to Elsie.

And let me tell you I was hurt - HURT! - I tell you!

I cried for DAYS!!!!

[Normandy]

Joseph Smith was called of God to be a prophet and the instrument through which the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ was restored to the earth.

The Spirit bears witness of this fact to those who in faith, humility and sincerity pray to God to know the truth on this matter.

Regards,

Normandy

[Elsie]

OFFICIAL DECLARATION—2

 

To Whom It May Concern:

 

On September 30, 1978, at the 148th Semiannual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the following was presented by President N. Eldon Tanner, First Counselor in the First Presidency of the Church:

 

In early June of this year, the First Presidency announced that a revelation had been received by President Spencer W. Kimball extending priesthood and temple blessings to all worthy male members of the Church. President Kimball has asked that I advise the conference that after he had received this revelation, which came to him after extended meditation and prayer in the sacred rooms of the holy temple, he presented it to his counselors, who accepted it and approved it. It was then presented to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who unanimously approved it, and was subsequently presented to all other General Authorities, who likewise approved it unanimously.

 

President Kimball has asked that I now read this letter:

 

June 8, 1978

 

To all general and local priesthood officers of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints throughout the world:

 

Dear Brethren:

 

As we have witnessed the expansion of the work of the Lord over the earth, we have been grateful that people of many nations have responded to the message of the restored gospel, and have joined the Church in ever-increasing numbers. This, in turn, has inspired us with a desire to extend to every worthy member of the Church all of the privileges and blessings which the gospel affords.

 

Aware of the promises made by the prophets and presidents of the Church who have preceded us that at some time, in God’s eternal plan, all of our brethren who are worthy may receive the priesthood, and witnessing the faithfulness of those from whom the priesthood has been withheld, we have pleaded long and earnestly in behalf of these, our faithful brethren, spending many hours in the Upper Room of the Temple supplicating the Lord for divine guidance.

 

He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color. Priesthood leaders are instructed to follow the policy of carefully interviewing all candidates for ordination to either the Aaronic or the Melchizedek Priesthood to insure that they meet the established standards for worthiness.

 

We declare with soberness that the Lord has now made known his will for the blessing of all his children throughout the earth who will hearken to the voice of his authorized servants, and prepare themselves to receive every blessing of the gospel.

 

Sincerely yours,

Spencer W. Kimball
N. Eldon Tanner
Marion G. Romney

The First Presidency

 

Recognizing Spencer W. Kimball as the prophet, seer, and revelator, and president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is proposed that we as a constituent assembly accept this revelation as the word and will of the Lord. All in favor please signify by raising your right hand. Any opposed by the same sign.

 

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous in the affirmative.

 

Salt Lake City, Utah, September 30, 1978.

 

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[Elsie]

HEY! Whatcha lookin' at?

[Elsie]

The Spirit bears witness of this fact to those who in faith, humility and sincerity pray to God to know the truth on this matter.

You are correct!

A 'spirit' DOES bear witness (false) to any who are foolish enough to actually TRY this 'method' of contacting GOD.

[Elsie]

Joseph Smith was called of God to be a prophet and the instrument through which the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ was restored to the earth.

Uh...

Houston:

We have a problem.

NOwhere, in the Book of MORMON, is the Restored Gospel® to be found!

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[svcw]

The Spirit did bear witness to me that Joseph Smith was a flim flam man and his bastardization of the Word of Almighty God was blasphemy. The Spirit further said “run, run from these charlatans”.

[CodeToad]

“Joseph Smith was called of God to be a prophet and the instrument through which the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ was restored to the earth.”

No, he didn’t. lol! God doesn’t call men to take other men’s wives or have sex with children like Joseph Smith did. God isn’t about sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll as all these “prophets” claim. Why is it every time some perverted dolt wants Earthly desires he brings God into it with “secret” scriptures, oral or written, that he cannot share with anybody? Next thing we know the feeble minded of the world will be telling us David Koresh really was Jesus!

[greyfoxx39]

Thanks

[Utah Binger]

Almighty and wonderful God our Creator please in the name of ugly lips and bad lipstick take that thing down!

[DelphiUser]

1. Mormons believe in many, many gods.
2. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was created and not eternally God.
3. Mormons believe that the gods breed in heaven in order to create additional spirit children.
4. Mormons believe polygamy is STILL practiced in heaven.
5. Mormons believe they can qualify to become gods with their own planet, wives and worshippers.

OK, Saundra, which of those statements are TRUE (all of them are true, by the way), which are “rumors”, which are “half-truths”, and which are “outright lies?”

Hey Ampu, long time no see. I'll field this one, if that's OK, Saundra.

1. Lie, Articles of Faith #1, we believe in the Godhead, as defined in the Bible, not the The Trinity, a man made definition of God, which is not in the Bible anywhere, and was foisted of on the Church by Constantine in AD, 325. BTW, lurkers, the links go to either my page on FR where there are links to authoritative sources, or to the scriptures on line.

2. Lie. Jesus is eternal because he exists outside of time, he created time, and will still be God (as one of the three members of the Godhead) after time ends.

3. "Breed in heaven", Half truth. Breed is a crude phrase, Jesus himself said that we are the children of God, and that God is "the Father of Spirits, so do we believe that God is the Father of spirits? yes, breed? Get your mind out of the Gutter, that is not our belief.

4. Lie. No marriages happen in heaven, we do believe that marital relationships started here on earth continue in heaven, including all the polygamous ones by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and other prophets from the Bible who were polygamous.

5. Lie. We say nothing about inheriting a planet, we speak of inheriting all that God hath"Romans 8:16-17, allow me to excerpt it:

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

What does it mean to b e joint heir?

Jesus, God the father's only Begotten in the flesh (a very interesting phrase if you stop to think of all the meaning(s) there...) inherits all that his father hath, IE. The kingdom. We are if so be that we suffer with him joint heirs with Christ... We inherit the kingdom and everything that Jesus has... We become gods, through the grace of Jesus Christ, our savior. (which is why some want to say we are polytheists)

There is however, a logical problem with the polytheist thing, follow this logic:

I have a father.

I grew up and now have children.

I My bothers also grew up and have children.

My brother having children, does not make him my father.

There is no way his kids will call me father.

My children will not call my father when they don't like my rules in my house, there is no appeal to a "higher power"

I do not need any permission, or authority, or anything from my father to be a father, I have grown up, and am independent on my own.

All life is a type and a shadow of the eternities and God's structures, the structure of the family (which was designed by God) is a type and a shadow of the things that have been and the things to come.

Theosis is a concept from both the Bible, and the early church, compare these two quotations:

God became man so that man might become god

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as man is god once was as god is man may be

now one was said by a "Church Father", the other by a Mormon prophet...

Most people, if they know at all will know because they will recognize the quote from Lorenzo Snow. Why has "Orthodox Christianity moved away from this doctrine that was so clear and common as to not be noticeable? When did "Orthodox Christianity change, and doesn't that call down Galatians 1:8-9 on those who changed the gospel?

For those who don't know, here is the passage:

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Mormons, teach the Gospel as it was taught by the apostles, interpreting the scriptures as the apostles did, continuing in their work, thus we are attacked and maligned by those who don't want our message heard.

I have a page that answers most of the "charges leveled against Mormons here (hence there is no excuse for the continuing misstatements made by those opposed to us here).

For anyone who is interested, here is a link

I testify to all men that Jesus lives! In him only do I have hope, he is my lord, my God my Savior. I love him with all my heart. I know this to be true and if any man wishes to know as I know the truthfulness of the gospel, I recommend The Test found in both the Bible, and the Book of Mormon to you. I promise you that if you take this test in faith and with all diligence that God will testify to you of his truths and you will know of his goodness and mercy. God lives! He loves you! This I testify in the name of Jesus Christ, my lord, my God, my Savior.

God bless you all with his love and with his truth.

Delph

[svcw]

So the fact that lds teach that satan and Jesus are brothers.....oops is that a lie, a half truth just what is it Sandy?
psst.....Jesus is eternal NOT created.

[Godzilla]

The person who sent it to me, being clueless to the fact that I have been a proud member of the "Flying Inmans" since its inception.

An epic fail if ever!

[Tamar1973]

I believe that Heavenly Father created both Jesus Christ and Satan.

Wrong! Jesus Christ was NOT created by the Father. He co-existed with the Father before the foundations of the word. Satan, formerly known as Lucifer, was a created being. Putting the two of them on any kind of equal footing is blasphemy.