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Mary on tree of life...on drawing of men
Bible | 2010 | bibletruth

Posted on 11/09/2010 1:41:51 PM PST by bibletruth

The Catholics claim that following:

Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her (Proverbs 3:18)

No one can go to God without Mary drawing him


TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: mary
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To: OneWingedShark; bibletruth

Actually bibletut has quoted himself, not The Church. Where exactly is the quotation from vatican.va or the CCC?


41 posted on 11/10/2010 2:56:10 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: ArrogantBustard; bibletruth

Actually I guess that was meant to be a bibletruth caucus, meaning only the members of bibletut’s group (sect or cult or whatever), so the number of members in that caucus = 1


42 posted on 11/10/2010 2:57:43 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: allmendream; bibletruth; OneWingedShark
Can anybody actually be that dumb?

Well, some folks may dream up anything and say "oh, why do Catholics believe in hula-hoops?" and ask us to defend this position! But the specific answer to your question is -- yes, we have examples of this amongst the non-Catholics here on this thread (there are many good, Christian Protestants outside FR and many (the vast majority) in FR -- but they stay away from mud-slime threads like these, so I do not disparage Protestants by including the loons as being in their ranks)
43 posted on 11/10/2010 3:08:09 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: ynotjjr

The key point is that His mother didn’t, couldn’t order Him, but His love for her was so much that He listened to her.


44 posted on 11/10/2010 3:09:42 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: OpusatFR

Actually, baby Tut just made a mis-spelling, this must have been meant to be a bibletruth caucus, meaning only the members of tut’s group (sect or cult or whatever), so the number of members in that caucus = 1 could attend this and talk to themselves (which would be a monologue)


45 posted on 11/10/2010 3:16:26 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: OpusatFR; Mrs. Don-o
Ach! Deutschlander! What about bratwurst? or Kirschtorte? I like cooking, but most of what I make seems to be just tossing everything in the fridge into a wok or a stew or a frying pan and dancing around because I burn my finger on the side of the vessel. It turns out, well... interesting :)

But seriously, do you know any simple vegetarian recipes? I've had wayy too much meat since I moved to Warsaw 4 months ago
46 posted on 11/10/2010 3:26:54 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: bibletruth

Not all Catholics view Mary like this, but a lot do. I grew up in the Roman Catholic church and was taught Mary was the mother of God, the co-redemptrix, the intercessor, the woman of Revelation who will save the world and the one who crushes the serpent’s head. I grew up worshipping Mary. We could not know Jesus Christ without going through Mary to put in a good word for us. I still know many people who believe these things, including family members.


47 posted on 11/10/2010 3:45:11 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Cronos

“Ach! Deutschlander!” Americanized.
“But seriously, do you know any simple vegetarian recipes?”

Not a lot, but mostly during Lent. Lentils mainly.

Seriously, the meat is heavy duty. My mother wouldn’t consider a meal unless it had meat as the basis.

I still have a secret vice: schmaltz!

Mutter lived until age 93 even though her diet was comprised of the the politically incorrect lard, butter, meat, eggs, and cheese.


48 posted on 11/10/2010 4:47:15 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Cronos; Tax-chick; OpusatFR
TC, please importune that Salvadoran lady for the slaw recipe. I am seriously interested. (Por favor!)

OK, veggie and near-veggie greens resipes. You asked for it!

Five-Minute Collards

1 Bunch collard greens, sliced 1 TBS extra virgin olive oil
1/2 red onion, sliced 6 kalamata olives, sliced
1 tsp lemon juice S+P, dash of cayenne
1 clove garlic, minced 1-1/2 TBS sunflower seeds
3 TBS pumpkin seeds 5 drops tamari soy sauce
Any kind of toasted nuts can substitute for the seeds. Steam collard greens and onion 5 minutes. Toss with remaining ingredients.

Swiss Chard, Bacon and Scallop Pasta

2 c. (heaped) dry Pasta 1 onion, sliced
4 slices bacon 3 cloves garlic, minced
1 bunch Swiss chard, rinsed 12 oz big sea scallops
1 tsp soy sauce 3 Tbs lemon juice
(opt: 1 sm. tomato, seeded and diced) 1 Tbs olive oil
1 Tbs butter

Start pasta.

Chop chard stems to bitesize, boil in slated water for 3 min, rinse in cold. Slice leaves. Cook the bacon until crisp. In bacon grease, sauté onions, garlic until soft. Add the tomato and cook until it begins to break down, 2 minutes. Add all chard, chopped, salt and pepper. Sauté until chard wilts.

Season the scallops with salt and pepper. In LARGE skillet, heat the oil until just smoking. Add the scallops and cook in one layer over high heat for 30 seconds. Reduce the heat to moderate and cook until golden on the bottom, 3 minutes. Turn the scallops and add the butter. Cook, spooning the butter on the scallops, until just white throughout, about 3 minutes. Add lemon juice and soy sauce, toss to combine flavors.

Add cooked pasta and greens. Mix, serve immediately.

49 posted on 11/10/2010 6:00:35 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (La paciencia todo lo alcanza.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I will. I have a recipe for Central American Slaw in “Healthy Latin Cooking,” but it’s not nearly as good as la hermana Andrea’s.

I like spinach, but I’ve had trouble taking to most other kinds of leafy greens. Maybe I’ve just been using the wrong recipes! We always have greens around, because the dragons eat them.


50 posted on 11/10/2010 6:03:43 AM PST by Tax-chick (The alligator ate my friend. He will eat your friend, too. Then he will eat Tom.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sounds good!

Collards you don’t boil down into slush!


51 posted on 11/10/2010 6:21:39 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks Mrs. D —> hopefully my wife will be pleased with the results (neither of us is much of a chef, but our food is edible :-)


52 posted on 11/10/2010 7:28:17 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: OpusatFR; Mrs. Don-o; Tax-chick
I particularly like to make Spanish omlettes -- myam, myam! Or, the options here are pierogi (dumplings stuffed with cottage cheese (Ruskie) or meat (mięso) or sauerkraut (kapusta kiszone) or spinach (szpinaczki)) or the ever favorite kotlet schabowy (pork chops -- they taste best in E. Europe!).

I've been dabbling in salads as well and the pickled gherkin juice (ogorki kiszone) makes for a great base. You can also add in sour cream, dill and then put in cucumbers, some papyrka and some slices of sausage or other cold meat along with buckwheat (kasza grzyczyna) or pasta and it's a good meal.

My Mom who's got the Irani heritage is appalled at what we eat though -- she's a great cook and I never learned (strangely enough my wife's mum was and her aunts are great cooks and SHE never learned either!).
53 posted on 11/10/2010 7:33:40 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: bibletruth; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; ...

I must say, this thread reminds me A LOT of a couple other FReepers who used to post threads here not long before you joined.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~pjr12345/
http://www.freerepublic.com/~manfredthewonderdawg/

Oh well, just thought I would mention it.


54 posted on 11/10/2010 7:48:48 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Cronos
Or, the options here are pierogi (dumplings stuffed with cottage cheese (Ruskie) or meat (mięso) or sauerkraut (kapusta kiszone) or spinach (szpinaczki))

I'm Lithuanian on my father's side -- we have pierogi, too! Only in Lithuanian -- the word is something like vittini (no one's quite sure how to spell it). I'll be making them for Christmas: most with my family's traditional filling of bacon, mushroom and onion; and some with my niece's favorite filling of mashed potato mixed with sour cream and cheese. The whole family (and friends) love them -- me, too, but they're lot of backbreaking work!

55 posted on 11/10/2010 8:24:00 AM PST by maryz
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To: wagglebee

well, those two may belong to the same cult as bibtut — membership 1


56 posted on 11/10/2010 8:35:31 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: maryz

Ah, pierogi Litwa :-) —> I like them too, but man, those are heavy! Now you’re making me feel hungry!


57 posted on 11/10/2010 8:37:27 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: ViLaLuz
I grew up in the Roman Catholic church and was taught Mary was the mother of God

Yes, this is Church doctrine, and is a statement about who Jesus Christ is, not who Mary is.

the co-redemptrix

Not Church doctrine

the intercessor

Yes, all of the saints, including the Blessed Virgin Mary, are intercessors.

the woman of Revelation who will save the world

Certainly, she is the woman mentioned in the Book of Revelation, but I don't know where the part about her "saving the world" comes in.

and the one who crushes the serpent’s head.

Yes, ipsa conteret caput tuum("she shall crush your head," Genesis 3:15, Vulgate, God to the serpent)

I grew up worshipping Mary.

If you were giving honor to Mary that is only due to God, then you weren't following the Catholic Church.

We could not know Jesus Christ without going through Mary to put in a good word for us. I still know many people who believe these things, including family members.

The Catholic Church doesn't teach that. If you paid attention during your Catholic upbringing, you would find plenty of devotions directly solely to Jesus, such as the Sacred Heart, the Holy Name, and most importantly, the Blessed Sacrament.

58 posted on 11/10/2010 8:40:23 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: bibletruth

59 posted on 11/10/2010 8:44:03 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So with one tradition and another, it really does matter "whose." If it was the teaching of the Apostles and their co-workers (approved men like Titus, Timothy, etc.) it was quite different than the teaching of other "freelancers" who were not part of the Apostolic line:

Where does one find apostolic succession taught?

How does one know if a tradition is from God or men?

60 posted on 11/10/2010 9:46:50 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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