Posted on 11/08/2010 3:37:09 PM PST by delacoert
The Bible predicts a dreadful fate for liars. For instance, while banished on the island of Patmos, the Apostle John saw that "all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8). Similarly, the beloved disciple writes, liars are doomed to an eternity outside of God's presence (Revelation 22:15). Because Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44), lying is extremely serious sin. As a full-time Mormon missionary from 1975 to 1977, I lied for the church countless times. Like my colleagues in the South Dakota-Rapid City Mission, which served the Dakotas and adjacent areas, I spoke truthfully about my background, but touted many Mormon teachings that contradict the Bible. After my mission ended, however, I examined these doctrines more closely. The harder I tried to reconcile the contradictions, the more evident they became. So, after extensive prayer and study, I resigned my church membership in 1984. Cheated and betrayed, I lacked spiritual life for the next 17 years. But God, knowing those who are His (John 10:14; 2 Timothy 2:19), drew me to Christ (John 6:44) and saved me in 2001. My spiritual emptiness was replaced by the abundant life only the Savior can give (John 10:10). And now, like millions of Christians worldwide, I have everlasting life through my faith in Him (John 3:36; 6:47). I can't remember all of my missionary lies. Some were small, others grandiose, but all were false and misleading. Here are ten I'll never forget. Of all my lies, this was the most frequent. I learned it well while in Winnipeg, Manitoba, which was my first assignment. A standard door-to-door proselyting pitch began with, "We represent The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Interrupting, many people said they had their own religion. "Oh, we're not trying to convert you," I responded. "We're sharing a message for all faiths." But Mormon missionaries have one overriding goal, and that's to bring converts into the church. Clearly, this was the purpose of my mission. I didn't trade the Southern California sunshine for the Dakota snow merely to build interfaith relations. My calling was to teach the church-approved missionary lessons and then baptize the people I taught. According to their eighth Article of Faith, Mormons accept the Bible as the word of God only when it's translated correctly. How convenient for a missionary. When a non-Mormon's interpretation of scripture differed from mine, I frequently blamed faulty Bible translation. And since I believed the Bible was missing "many plain and precious things," as the Book of Mormon claims in 1 Nephi 13:28-29, I urged prospective converts not to trust it completely. And yet, Mormon proof texts had few translation problems. Throughout my mission, I used only those Bible verses that steered prospects away from their church and toward Mormonism. But what kind of Christian believes that an all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving God gave mankind an inadequate version of His word. Actually, the Bible is more than sufficient. With its 66 books, 1,189 chapters and nearly 740,000 words, it's the divine road map to eternal life through Jesus Christ. For decades, the Mormon Church has tried to blend with mainstream Christianity. Accordingly, during my mission a quarter-century ago, I worked hard to convince prospects that Mormons believe in the biblical Jesus. But Paul warned of deceivers who would lure Christians away from "the simplicity that is in Christ." These false teachers preached "another Jesus" and "another gospel" (2 Corinthians 11: 3-4) and were accursed (see Galatians 1:8-9). How interesting that Paul also cautions against false apostles, such as those in the Mormon Church (2 Corinthians 11:13-14). So which Jesus and gospel do Mormons preach? While a missionary, I taught that Christ was the firstborn spirit child of the Father in a premortal life. (The remainder of humanity was born as spirits later in this "pre-existence.") But I didn't tell prospects this was a literal birth, the result of literal fathering, as Mormon prophets and apostles have claimed. If asked, I taught that the devil was born as one of God's noble spirit sons during the pre-existence, but had rebelled and started a war in heaven. Consistent with Mormon doctrine, then, Christ and Satan are spirit brothers. But the Bible teaches that Christ is God (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6; John 1:1), that He has always been God (Psalm 90:2), and that He always will be God (Hebrews 13:8). Born into mortality some 2,000 years ago, Jesus is "God... manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16). He is far grander and holier than "our Elder Brother," as Mormons dub Him. Jesus and Satan aren't spirit brothers, and true Christians don't believe such blasphemy. I usually told this lie during the first of seven 30-minute missionary lessons, which presented the Joseph Smith story. According to our script, Smith prayed in 1820 about which church to join. He claimed the Father and Son appeared and told him that all Christian churches of the day were wrong. Smith said he was forbidden to join any of them, that their creeds were abominable and their professors all corrupt. "They draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me," the Lord allegedly added. "They teach for doctrines the commandments of men" (Joseph Smith — History, verse 19). In subsequent lessons, I told prospects that Mormonism is the true church God restored through Smith. But the Bible says such a restoration was unnecessary. Admittedly, there was partial apostasy after Christ's resurrection, but never a complete falling away. In fact, shortly before His crucifixion, Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church (Matthew 16:18). During my mission, however, I argued that the gates of hell did prevail against Christ's church. Shortly after renouncing Mormonism, I learned a scriptural death blow to notions of universal apostasy. Addressing Ephesian believers 30 years after the Ascension, the Apostle Paul writes, "Unto [God] be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen" (Ephesians 3:21). God received glory in the Christian church from the time of Paul's writing to the present day, and He will receive such glory throughout all succeeding generations. Therefore, the church must exist from Paul's day throughout eternity. This annihilates Mormon claims of complete apostasy and makes restoration of Christ's church impossible. Whether in wintry Winnipeg or the balmy Black Hills of Rapid City, I criticized Christians because their church lacked a living prophet. Mormons claim the true church must have one. My favorite Bible proof text to back this claim was Amos 3:7, which reads, "Surely, the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." When prospective converts remained skeptical of living prophets, I quoted Ephesians 4:11-14, which apparently requires living apostles and prophets until believers unify in the faith and understand Christ completely. However, writing in the past tense, Paul is actually referring to apostles and prophets of Jesus' day. Otherwise, verse 11 would read that the Lord "is giving" or "will give" apostles and prophets. Of course, God did reveal His will through Old Testament prophets, as Amos 3:7 affirms. But for the last 2,000 years, He has spoken to believers through Christ (Hebrews 1:1-2). The truth about Mormonism's living prophets is further illuminated in Deuteronomy 18:22. "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord," the scripture reads, "if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Isaiah 8:20 contains a similar warning: "To the law and the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." False prophets who led ancient Israel astray received the death penalty (Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:20), and all who profess to be living prophets should consider the consequences. Mormon prophets might appear grandfatherly and sincere, but they're not God's living oracles. Since the Mormon Church was founded in 1830, its prophets have uttered a striking number of false prophecies. (See chapter 14 of Jerald and Sandra Tanner's "The Changing World of Mormonism.") Joseph Smith claimed that the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on earth, adding that man would become closer to God by following its precepts than by obeying any other book ("History of the Church," Vol. 4, p. 461). Replace "Book of Mormon" with "the Bible" and Smith would have told the truth. When teaching missionary lessons, I boldly maintained that the Book of Mormon is scripture. I spent myriad hours convincing prospects that it's a sacred record of Christ's activities in the western hemisphere. Yet many Christians I contacted realized the book "borrows" heavily from the Bible and other sources. And in stark contrast to the Old and New Testaments, virtually no archaeological and anthropological evidence supports the Book of Mormon. Why not? Because it's fiction. When Christians want to read scripture, they turn to the Bible. More than any other Mormon lie, this undermines Christ's atonement, which is the most sacred doctrine of the Bible. Mormons usually equate salvation with resurrection. Likewise, they refer to eternal life as "exaltation." I did both while teaching prospective converts. I relished the church's third Article of Faith, which claims, "through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel." Trying to bridge the doctrinal divide between Mormons and Christians, I emphasized that salvation is by grace "after all we can do" (2 Nephi 25:23). What classic Mormon double-talk. Unmistakably, the Bible says eternal life is a gift from God (Romans 5:15; 6:23) to those who believe in Christ (John 6:47), call upon Him (Romans 10:13) and receive Him as Lord and Savior (John 1:12). Contrary to Mormon dogma, this gift cannot be awarded meritoriously. Equally clear is that salvation results from God's grace through each believer's faith, not from obeying a checklist of laws and ordinances (Ephesians 2:8-9; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5). All who confess Christ and believe in Him from the heart shall be saved (Romans 10:8-13). Most Mormons know little about imputed righteousness — and neither did I during my mission. Essentially, as Christians know, the Lord credits believers with His perfect righteousness and charges their transgressions to His sinless spiritual "account." Paul explains this doctrine masterfully in Romans 4 and 2 Corinthians 5:18-21. When teaching the Mormon gospel, though, I emphatically denied imputed righteousness, which is the essence of the atonement. I stressed that eternal life is earned by perfect obedience to all gospel laws and ordinances. Yet the Bible says that "there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not" (Ecclesiastes 7:20). As the Psalmist writes: "They are all gone aside. They are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one" (Psalm 14:3; compare Romans 3:10-18). How many Mormons perfectly obey all gospel laws? None. As the Bible asserts, even the church's current prophet can't keep God's laws thoroughly enough to merit heaven (1 John 1:8). And if he can't, how can anyone else? Given its explosive nature, this tenet was rarely shared with prospective converts. Missionaries try to entice people into Mormonism gradually, and presenting the doctrine of plural gods is seldom the best way. Several contacts learned the concept from their pastors or read about it on their own, but it was new to most prospects. "Our Father in heaven loves us so much," I often said, parroting our lesson script, "that He provided a plan [Mormonism] for us to become like him." I didn't mention that Mormon godhood includes spirit procreation throughout eternity. Neither did I hint that the Mormon God was formerly a mortal man, had lived on an earth like ours, and had earned salvation through good works. However, such polytheism strips God of glory and sovereignty. No wonder the Bible condemns it so strongly. When discussing plural gods on my mission, I sidestepped Isaiah 44:8 whenever possible. "Is there a God beside me?" the passage reads. "Yea, there is no God; I know not any." Other verses amply testify that only one God exists in the universe (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39; 6:4; Isaiah 43:10-11; 45:21-23). When confronted with these scriptures as a missionary, I usually countered with, "Those verses mean we worship only one God, that there's only one God to us." And if that failed, I lied further: "The Bible isn't clear on this subject. Fortunately, the Lord told Joseph Smith that mortals can become gods." Smith might have had a revelation, but not from God. One of my favorite missionary scriptures was John 3:5. "Verily, verily I say unto you," the Savior explains, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." To Mormon missionaries everywhere, being born of water means baptism into the Mormon Church. Birth of the Spirit refers to the gift of the Holy Ghost, allegedly bestowed after baptism. Unfortunately, during my mission, I didn't know what it means to be born again. I completely misinterpreted Paul's declaration that "if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" (2 Corinthians 5:17; compare Galatians 6:15). According to the Bible, believers in Christ are reborn spiritually as sons and daughters of God (John 1:12; 1 John 3:1-2). They experience a complete Christian conversion of mind and heart. Membership in a church organization might foster social activity and fellowship, but it's not spiritual rebirth. I participated in well over 100 Mormon temple ceremonies from 1975 to 1982, including my own marriage in 1977. Based heavily on freemasonry, temple rites are the church's most carefully guarded secrets. And "celestial marriage," which supposedly weds men and women eternally, is probably the most important temple ordinance. While a missionary, I frequently told prospects they needed temple marriage to gain eternal life. Yet the Lord says marriage between men and women is irrelevant to the hereafter. "The children of this age marry, and are given in marriage," He declares. "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage… for they are equal unto the angels...." (Luke 20:34-36.) The Bible does teach eternal marriage, but not the Mormon version. The union is between Christ, the Bridegroom, and His collective body of believers, who are the bride (Matthew 25:1-13; John 3:29; Romans 7:4; 2 Corinthians 11:2). I close with a few words about "testimony," which is a missionary's emergency cord. When I couldn't rebut an antagonistic statement scripturally, I fell back on my testimony. For instance, while proselyting in Grand Forks, North Dakota, I was once asked where the Bible mentions the secret undergarments Mormons wear. Caught off guard, I admitted that the Bible says nothing about them. I could merely testify that God revealed the need for these garments through living prophets. But my testimony wasn't based on scripture or other hard evidence. Rather, it was founded on personal revelation, which is extremely subjective. Essentially, my testimony was nothing more than a good feeling about the church and its teachings. In Mormon parlance, it was a "burning in the bosom." But burning or not, it wasn't from God. If you're a Christian, I urge you to "earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 3). That faith, the pathway to heaven, is found only in the biblical Jesus (John 14:6). But if you're a Mormon, it's time to prayerfully re-examine your beliefs. Do you know you have everlasting life? No. Can you obey all the commandments perfectly and earn a place in heaven? You can't. I regret the many lies I told during my Mormon mission. When I received Christ, though, I confessed them (and my other sins) and received His forgiveness (1 John 1:9; Colossians 1:13-14). "He that heareth my word," Christ assures us, "and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life" (John 5:24). 1. We're Not Trying to Convert You
2. The Bible is Insufficient
3. We're the Only True Christians
4. We're the Only True Church
5. We Have a Living Prophet
6. The Book of Mormon is Scripture
7. You're Saved By Works
8. People Can Become Gods
9. You're Born Again By Becoming a Mormon
10. Temple Marriage is Required for Eternal Life
False Testimony
With all embarrassment at my apparent error, I apologize.
With embarrassment at my apparent error, I apologize.
You are familiar with the passage in the Bible where Paul commends the Bereans. The above two questions are phrased in such a way as to support another way unlike the Berean way, a way that is not backed up by the Bible, and that is by design. Well, not backed up by the Bible in context, because we have witnessed the twisting of single verses and portions of verses in order to support a non-Christian assertion.
The Bereans made it their personal experience to study the scriptures to find the passages which would support or refute Paul's teaching their 'personal experience'. The Bereans didn't rely on mere feelings. Paul admonished Timothy to study the scriptures, to show himself, rightly dividing the scriptures. The foolish Galatians used feelings in the moment and were led astray soon after Paul left their community.
Let's return to Doctor Luke's scene as recorded in Acts; Luke was an eyewitness to these events about which he wrote:
Acts 16: 16-18 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
This time when we look at that passage, let's find a few more morsels of data. Recognize that this girl with a spirit of divination was offering that 'These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation'.
Your questions were: "Why would any demon want a person to believe in the reality of Jesus Christ? Would a demon inspire a person to repent of their sins and follow Jesus?"
Look at the scene, carefully. This demon possessed girl was doing exactly what your questions imply was not possible! BY telling people that Paul and his small band were servants of God, she is vouching for their position of truth deliverers. By her past use in earning certain men money over her divination, she is lending credulity and thus some people would be --even if only in a small way-- more inclined to listen and follow the teachings from Paul and the small group of evangelists. The girl specifies that these men, these servants of the most High God are showing the way to salvation!
So in answer to your specific questions, yes, this demon inspired girl was doing what your questions try to assert would not be done by a demon! Her speaking out the way she did is equivalent to Mormons' claims of 'a testimony', yet we have the Bible explanation that she was not inspired by the Holy Spirit else Paul would not have been grieved and sent the demon out of her!
But let's go a bit deeper into the statement by the demon possessed girl. Whom is making the assertion regarding Paul and the small band of Christian evangelists? If it were the girl speaking, I doubt Paul would have been so bothered as to after 'many days' turn and send the demon out of her. The demon was speaking through the girl!
And there at least two ther things in the telling, things very subtle Luke records: "These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation." What is inferred by 'most high God'? Why that there is more than one god! And I'm sure Mormons want desperately to believe that, so would Mormons ignore that the girl spoke by inspiration of a demon, not by inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
You further offered: "How did Peter learn the Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God? : “Flesh and blood hath not revealed it to you, but my Father which is in Heaven” The Bible is replete with examples of prophets and apostles having personal experiences in which God transmitted truth to them — which they then went on to teach to others."
Find one, just one passage in the Bible where something revealed to the Apostles was not or is not backed up by scripture? You can't. The Bereans tried and were commended by Paul since he knew Whom was author of their pursuit.
I can point to a myriad of things taught by Momronism's founding false prophet and subsequent leadership of Mormonism which contradict the Bible ... CONTRADICT! Is the god of Mormonism the author of confusion? Yes, absolutely. The god of Mormonism is the same inspiration which drove the girl in the scene in acts to speak out on whom these men were, and she repeated her proclamation for many days.
Knowing human nature, I have no doubt that she turned some away from listening to Paul and the other Christians because of the nuisance of her incessant shouting it out following them around. Some people want to ask their questions in a quiet, peaceful setting, not open to public scrutiny. The demon possessed girl was making a nuisance of herself and making the band of evangelists seem like a typical traveling circus of the day. A more current example are the private freepmails some of us get, asking for clarifications on scripture and the Gospel.
And just when the focus might have become the efficacy of what these evangelists were offering, the men who lost revenue due to the demon being sent from the girl diverted attention onto the loss of their revenues! Oddly, we see that exact tactic repeated on this thread when the focus is falling upon the lies and heresies exposed in Mormonism!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
More whining.
As if you haven't been repeatedly and effectively informed about the damnable error of Mormon doctrine and the continuous history of lying within it by its fathers and leaders.
Keep it up and face the judgment of the one and only God of All Creation.
Let's just take one of those quotes and review it:
Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "The church of the devil is...EVERY church except the true church, whether parading under a Christian or a pagan banner." (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:551)
McConkie says here that every non-Mormon church is the "church of the devil" -- doesn't matter if they're "Parading" under a Christian banner or a pagan one...McConkie labels us devilish.
Now this specific quotation was published second hand at:
The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Seminaries and Institutes of Religion: Book of Mormon Student Manual: Chapter 4: 1Nephi 11–14: Notes and Commentary
Are telling us, Restornu that your Lds Institutes are teaching the mere "opinions" of men in their Lds Institute curricula aimed at impressionable college students? They're not teaching "doctrine?" Do you realize this comes direct from the Lds church curricula department...and is published at Lds.org?
Will you go on the record, Resty, and tell us that you have shot off an e-mail to Lds.org -- where this quote is found -- and tell them to stop teaching what you seem to claim is the doctrine of mere men?
You are good...
Jesus IS truth. Now that he has come and abolished the priesthood, we need nobody to tell us what is true except God's Word, The Bible.
Yes, I believe in personal revelation. And it's just that - PERSONAL. God may put it in your heart to do or not do something. That's for YOU! I know Christians who feel called by God to not drink for example, but that's just for them.
If he wants to tell me something, he will tell me, not tell you to tell me.
Get it? You may of course see me wandering away and point me back to the bible and prayer and try to help guide me.
But God is not going to tell you, or any other man, that everyone must now wear this, or eat that, or go here. Sorry. Jesus is my priest, not any man. I have a direct line.
The god of Mormonism, the source of divination 'testimonies' is an author of confusion, as proven with the myriad of contradictions to 'The Word made book'. How many of the following assertions by your Mormon leadership do you endorse? And do these endorsed assertions tell you anything about the author of such foolishness? ... Can you really endorse this rot, or do you , like my friend who is a Momron, just ignore the offered quotes so you don't have to consider the rot at the heart of Mormonism?
"I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)
"I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)
"In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it." (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844)
"In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. … The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us ..." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372
"We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.132).
"Some people are troubled over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith.... The matter that seems such a mystery is the statement that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and death and is an exalted man. This is one of the mysteries.... The Prophet taught that our Father had a Father and so on. Is not this a reasonable thought, especially when we remember that the promises are made to us that we may become like him?" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp.10, 12).
"Those who gain exaltation, having thus enjoyed the fullness of eternal progression, become like God. It should be realized that God is not progressing in knowledge, truth, virtue, wisdom, or any of the attributes of godliness. He has already gained these things in their fullness. But he is progressing in the sense that his creations increase, his dominions expand, his spirit offspring multiply, and more kingdoms are added to his domains." (Mormon Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 5-10.)
Resty, given that 1 of 7 people are not religious/unaffiliated...I should be fair and exclude these from the figures I gave you...
So LDS is 1/43rd of the American religious population -- and less than 1/40th of the American Christian population, which reduces that $72 billion to $62 billion -- $1.4 stolen by Mormons. Tell us, have Christians criminally stolen almost $60 bllion the past two years from victims?
That's what Christians would have to do...is to rip off others at a pace of around $25 billion per year to try to keep pace with the Mormon con artists.
I would agree that Jesus is truth. I don’t agree that revelation from God to his authorized servants ceased following Christ’s resurrection.
In the New Testament we find the apostles receiving revelations and declaring it to the world following Christ’s ascension.
Also, I’m not here to tell people what to do. My purpose for posting here is to share what I have come to know for myself.
Best,
Normandy
That’s what Christians would have to do...is to rip off others at a pace of around $25 billion per year to try to keep pace with the Mormon con artists.
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Did you ever hear of wolf in sheep clothing enter into the flock to get gain some of them are now x Mormons!
(Oh, sure...your leaders finally receive God's discernment about who they are...after the fact...shades of Hofmann the "antiquities" finder & bomber all over again...Here Hofmann dealt directly at times with your "living prophet"...and the promises that God "would never lead our prophet astray" simply evaporates...along with Mormon hard-earned $)
You got problems all of your own please stop trying to visit it upon the LDS!
I’m surprised SOMEone hasn’t come along to claim that all of them are now ex-mormon Freepers.
Yes, the "formula" is:
"lightbulb-suddenly-turns-on-for-the-bishop"
+ general authority run PRism
=a lot of "sudden" ex-Mormon criminals.
Imagine that.
...again flocks are being fleece in other groups too.
When a LDS gets excommuicated for fleecing
then most likely end up in the Christian flock...
should they get excommunicated from one denomination they can always move to another....
I’m surprised SOMEone hasn’t come along to claim that all of them are now ex-mormon Freepers.
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That is inane there is a different between a thief and an annoying boor!
Did you ever hear of wolf in sheep clothing enter into the flock to get gain some of them are now x Mormons!
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Oakes, peterson, et all are wolfs in sheeps clothing ???
Tommy Monson is a wolf in sheeps clothing ???
Gordo Hinckley was a wolf in sheeps clothing ???
Briffie Young was a wolf in Sheeps clothing ???
Joey Smith was a wolf in sheeps clothing ???
Yeppers I believe they are too...
should they get excommunicated from one denomination they can always move to another....
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Yeah thats what Joey Smith and his family did when they were excommunicated from the Presbyterians in March, 1830...
But Joey Smith started a whole new religion...
so thats a bit different...
That's right. The thieves are excommunicate - the annoying boors are still in Mormonism.
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