Posted on 11/08/2010 3:37:09 PM PST by delacoert
Elsie,
I am not able to describe the means by which the Lord communicates with me through the Spirit. Let me just say that that light and truth from God can be communicated directly to the soul of man and teach eternal truth.
I have been the recipient of that knowledge from heaven, and that is why I am a Latter-day Saint.
All that you can know is that you said something. You cannot know whether another Freeper received what you said as you meant it to be received.
He is stating his own mind, he is not reading reading yours.
Wow this is one of the most unkind replies I ever read towards a person who is just expressing their experience just because they don’t totally agree with you.
It is like no one has a right to go against your mindset.
BTW sitetest and I have had many hot and heavy talks years ago on the RF so she is not a dupe!
I appreciate that sitetest does see pros and cons towards the LDS.
sure making fun of some one is not personal nor and accusation if you word it right!
Thank you
TMI!!!
#1...the MAIN thrust of this thread was not addressing your anecdotal experiences with "all Mormons." 'Twas focusing on Lds missionaries -- and those who lead them...including the Lds branch president in Alaska I highlighted in post #185.
You responded to post #185 in post #198 -- but how interesting of a weaselly evasive response in not addressing the primary evidence on this entire thread that the Lds missionary enterprise is tattered with misleading lies conveyed to the public.
Here, we had an Alaska Lds branch president talking about Lds missionaries in their area -- and he claimed their missionaries went against their entire training & orientation and supposedly had "NO INTEREST" in proselytizing religious people in his town.
Religious people are proselytized by Mormon missionaries the world over. In Central and South America, where nominal RC catholic membership can still be as high as in the 90+% percentile in many cities...they are indeed "religious" -- if not zealous in that religiosity...yet it's never stopped Lds missionaries from proselytizing them.
The Alaska branch prez also apparently didn't clarify -- as he was explaining supposedly why they weren't interested in proseltyzing -- that the "major component" of why those missionaries were there was per Lds missionary rules limited to four hours per week! Even if his interview w/the journalist was "technically" correct (by mentioning elderly Lds missionaries), you can be "technically" correct and still purposely mislead.
- I have never caught a Mormon in a lie. Ever. - No Mormon has ever cheated or stolen from me...I have never regretted doing business with a Mormon. [sitetest]
Wow! You know. Lds members have fleeced over $1.4 billion from fellow Mormons the past few years alone! Guess what? They initially didn't regret "doing business" with them, either!!!
Source: Mormons Now Losing Billions to Affinity Fraud
Now I'm not a Calvinist that you lambasted based upon a few encounters with them...but tell us...do you think Calvinists have launched at least $1.4 billion worth of fraud schemes vs. fellow Calvinists & other Christians the past two years?
Somehow I sense you live a sheltered MSM reading life when it comes to religious-based affinity fraud. (I just hope there's not a malfunction over'site' test @ ground zero goin' on)
Here below are just a baker's dozen articles in a 16 1/2-month span on the "problem" of Lds affinity scams upon fellow Lds victims (March 2009-->early May, 2010)...then the media. If you only have time to click on one article...read the first...be sure to read the comments of FBI special agent Cameron Saxey (who is Lds)...the article mentions how the Utah jurisdictional Securities Fraud Task Force was working on 100+ cases...meaning that $1.4 billion total doesn't tell it all!
BTW...I went to absolutely no major effort or had to do any "days of pouring over" the internet to strain these to the surface. Just about all of them were delivered right into my e-mail lap...meaning I wonder what more I'd find if I really dug deeper!
JOHN L. SMITH: Thieves in the temple: How 'affinity fraud' hurts LDS church members
Source: Las Vegas Review-Journal, Sept. 12, 2010
Local political gadfly arrested for exploiting elderly woman
Source: Provo Daily Herald, May 4, 2010
Preying on the faithful: Though Mormons often victims, LDS church skips fraud-prevention event
Source: Salt Lake Tribune, May 2, 2010
Kaneohe swindler is sentenced
Source: Honolulu Star-Bulletin, April 6, 2010
Investors with troubled firm have Mormon ties
Source: Austin American Statesman, Jan. 16, 2010
Man Who Defrauded Fellow Church Goer Pleads Guilty
Source: www.connect2utah.com (KUTV) Jan. 7, 2010
Lindon Man Accused of Trying to Kill Witnesses to Alleged Scam
Source: MidUtahRadio.com, Nov. 19, 2009
KSL 5 News investigates affinity fraud
Source: KSL.com Nov. 9, 2009
Mormon victims are caught up in $50M scam to sell gold bullion
Salt Lake Tribune, Sept. 18, 2009
LDS Church returned $200K in Southwick Tithing
Source: AP, Sept. 14, 2009
Merriman's church donations may be tained [Momon Ponzi schemer's tithe monies ill-gotten?]
Source: Denver Post, April 24, 2009
Man Who Defrauded Fellow Church Goer Pleads Guilty
Source: Fox News, April 8, 2009
Calif. Man Charged with $40 million Ponzi scheme
Source: AP, March 20, 2009
Sitetest...are ya tellin' us ya gotta wait for a Mormon to give you a testimony about everything before you'll believe 'em?
[If so...may I suggest you follow-up on all those fraud cases I sent you in the previous post...look up their testimonies...in their court trials that is...Oh...and one suggestion: If those ponzi schemers do happen to testify in their own defense in any of those trials (yeah, I know, not likely), here's a suggestion: Please don't take those criminal schemers' trial testimony at face value to add to your experiential, anecdotal 100% subjective assertation that you then broadbrush all Mormons with...]
You see...Sitetest...the apostle Paul talked in 1 Cor. 2 how Christians -- if they are spiritual AND are led by the Personal Holy Spirit -- are actually called upon to "judge all things":
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Cor. 2:14-16)
IOW, Sitetest, we are called to do some fruit-testing...test all things, hold fast to that which is true. Test all spirits as the apostles Paul & John told us. So, I've got such a TEST onSITE for you...(since you elected not to apply your Christian calling of 1 Cor. 2:14-16 as applied to my example in post #185). I'll give you a "second chance."
Please evaluate the two statements below by Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie...and tell us in what ways they are...
...lies or not lies...
...falsehoods and deceptions or truth...
...misstatements or on the mark...
...slanderous or not
Other examples of how Mormon leaders lie:
(1) “…the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable (Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12-13)
I'll even "help you out" on this one Sitetest...since you proclaim yourself an eyewitness expert of Mormon character...please read this above quote -- and then read the following...and tell us if you think this Lds "apostle" was telling the truth or lying when he claimed the "Book of Mormon remains...unchanged..."?
1. CONTENTS. An estimated 17,000+ words (26+ pages) of that material are either verbatim quotations of the Bible, or advance revelations of what would be written later, all in 1611 King James wording....5. GRAMMAR. A check of the 1830 version reveals grammar problems on virtually every page of the book. Over 4,000 changes have been made to the book since that printing (Mormonism, Shadow or Reality, pp. 89-93). Some spelling problems are found, and some word mix-ups as well, such as "mouldering" for molding, "wrecked" for racked, "constrain" for restrain, and "arrested" for wrested. The ONLY parts of the book free from such errors are the parts which parallel the King James Version word for word. Yet it is claimed the book was translated "by the gift and power of the Holy Ghost." The Bible manuscripts, by comparison, were (also) written by some unlearned men (Peter, James, John), yet the grammar and spelling in our oldest manuscripts are of the highest quality.
Source: Facts & Feelings: Evaluating the Book of Mormon
Well, I guess that shows Joseph Smith knew how to "cut & paste" back in his day, too...probably literally...'cause NONE of the over 4,000 changes in today's Book of Mormon vs. the original 1830 Book of Mormon involve the estimated 17,000+ words that "happened" to be both written in King James English and "happened" to be verbatim quotes from the KJV Bible...now what's the odds of that? What's the odds that this book as it was "translated 'by the gift and power of the Holy Ghost" getting 100% of the King James quotations or supposed 'prophetic' quotations right...but messing up over 4,000 times on the rest of the content?
(2) "For instance: The creeds of apostate Christendom teach untruths about God, and the scriptures say that those who accept these creeds 'have inherited lies.' (Jer. 16:16-21.) Those who accept any of the doctrines of the apostate churches are said to 'believe a lie.' (2 Thess. 2:1-12.) The process of apostasy consists in changing 'the truth of God into a lie.'" (LDS "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p. 440).
Now I can understand if you might want to label this a "different kind" of lie than #1 above...tell us, though...when McConkie labels the creeds of your faith which you have passed on, I'm sure to somebody, as resulting in you "teach[ing] untruths"...is that a..
...true or false statement?
...An accurate or deceptive statement?
...Truth or a lie?
...I mean McConkie claims to have the knowledge power to know these things about YOU! (How does he know YOU & all other Christians?)
McConkie says you have "believed a lie." Is that...
...true or false?
...Accurate or deceptive?
...Truth or a lie?
...I mean McConkie claims to have the knowledge power to know these things about YOU! (How does he know YOU & all other Christians?)
McConkie says your "apostacy consists in changing 'the truth of God into a lie" Is that...
...true or false?
...Accurate or deceptive?
...Truth or a lie?
...I mean McConkie claims to have the knowledge power to know these things about YOU! (How does he know YOU & all other Christians?)
Please let us know if all those questions are just open "up-for-grabs" issues on which even you have trouble weighing in...Thanks!
Ah, the irony of it all: They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie. (2 Thess. 2:10-11)
When you think of of 13 M millions plus members that there are no bad apples is being unrealistic yet that does not stop Colofornian from being unreasonable.
Jesus said he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Affinity Fraud (prey upon members of identifiable groups such as LDS)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2626006/posts
Be honest here, Resty: If you were on the jury in any of these cases; and you were in the jury deliberation room, is this the verse you would quote to the rest of the jury?
“Elsie,
I am not able to describe the means by which the Lord communicates with me through the Spirit. Let me just say that that light and truth from God can be communicated directly to the soul of man and teach eternal truth.
I have been the recipient of that knowledge from heaven, and that is why I am a Latter-day Saint.
...…
Yet you can’t explain how you know it is not a demonic source.
Fail, Normandy. Do you have anything objective that supports your claim?
Why would any demon want a person to believe in the reality of Jesus Christ?
Would a demon inspire a person to repent of their sins and follow Jesus?
Oh?
Can't I read my OWN mind?
BEsides; to WHOM would it be PERSONAL?
I detected, quite easily, that it was NOT your posting style.
If I phone MICKEY, and get a DONALD DUCK voice on the other end; I KNOW that something is up.
Ok; I'll buy that you can't describe the HOW; but SURELY the WHAT is available to tell; right?
Would you PLEASE!
Make up your mind!
While you, OTOH, fit the profile quite nicely.
(?)sure making fun of some one is not personal nor and accusation if you word it right!
--RestySpeak
Resty; Honey!
You are quite a piece of work!
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