Posted on 11/05/2010 6:32:25 PM PDT by Colofornian
LDS Prophet Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal man:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. ...I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil,...
It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, ...and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; ...you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,... from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6).
LDS President Brigham Young declared that God was once a finite being:
"It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being" (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290).
LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith said that God had a father, a grandfather, etc.:
"Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).
LDS President Joseph F. Smith taught that God was born as a mortal on some other earth:
"I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions...Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman" (Deseret News, Church News, Sept. 19, 1936, p. 2).
LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie taught:
"The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64)
LDS Apostle Melvin Ballard explained that God has a wife:
"For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother" (As quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage, LDS Church manual, 1976, p. 129).
LDS Doctrine and Covenants promises the faithful LDS couple that they can achieve godhood in the same manner as God the Father:
"...if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity,... they shall [have]...a continuation of the seeds [children] forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting,... Then shall they be gods, because they have all power,... and continuation of the lives,... [endless procreation of spirit children]" (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:18-22)
LDS President Brigham Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood:
"Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive" (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 245).
LDS President Joseph F. Smith said:
"We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this, or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 54).
As recently as 2007 both Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Dallen Oakes, during an interview for PBS, explained that God the father has a resurrected body. Apostle Packer stated:
"That vision [Joseph Smith's 1820 vision] taught us some things. We learned about the personality of God the Father, a resurrected Being, as part of our gospel." [link]
Apostle Oakes used the same term when he was interviewed:
"The first revelation received by Joseph Smith was the appearance to him of the Father and the Son embodied, separate, identifiable, tangible Beings who appeared to him in what we refer to as the First Vision. And that first revelation, concerning the nature of God as an embodied, glorified, resurrected Being, challenged the creeds of Christianity. Christianity describes God as a disembodied, incomprehensible, spiritual entity that fills the whole universe, and an indistinguishable Father and Son." [link]
LDS Apostle James E. Talmage taught that God progressed from a mortal to a god:
"We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement — a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be'" (Articles of Faith, Ch. 24, p. 430-431).
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What the Bible Says About God
1. ALWAYS GOD - in the past as well as in the future.
"Art thou not from ever-lasting, O Lord my God, mine Holy One?" Hab. 1:12
"For I am the Lord, I change not." Mal. 3:6
"...from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." Psa. 90:2
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent." Num. 23:19
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever." Rom. 1:22-25
The LDS god started as a finite man and progressed to godhood.
2. ALWAYS HOLY - Both in the past and future.
"...a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." Deut. 32:4
"I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee." Hos. 11:9
"The Lord is righteous in all his ways and holy in all his works." Psa. 145:17
"God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:5
"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness." Psa. 119:142
The LDS god achieved holiness.
3. ALL KNOWING - Both in the past and in the future.
"Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? ... There is no searching of his understanding." Isa. 40:13, 14, 28
"Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite." Psa. 147:5
The LDS god had to learn everything.
4. ALL POWERFUL
"The Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Rev. 19:6
"...his eternal power and Godhead." Rom. 1:20
The LDS god attained his power.
5. OMNIPRESENT
"The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; where is the house that ye build unto me: and where is the place of my rest?" Isa. 66:1
"Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord." Jer. 23:23-24
The LDS god can be in only one place at a time.
6. ACTED ALONE IN CREATION
"I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." Isa. 44:24
"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." Psa. 33:6
"Thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all." Neh. 9:6
The LDS god cooperated with the Council of Gods to create.
7. NO OTHER GODS
"I am he; before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." Isa. 43:10-11
"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God....is there a God beside me; yea, there is no God; I know not any." Isa. 44:6 & 8
"To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?...for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." Isa. 46:5 & 9
"I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another." Isa. 42:8
The LDS God has a father and mother, grandparents, brothers and sisters, etc.
For a more in-depth discussion of the LDS view of God and man:
Mormonism and the Threefold Problem of Progression: Examining the LDS Doctrine of Eternal Progression in Light of the Bible, Philosophy, and Science
I don’t care think what you want you are going to anyways as it has been proven in the pass!:)
Can someone translate?
Well you sure are part of the Tradition of Men hook line and sinker...
LDS does not have the Reader’s Digest version of the Bible!
You apparently think you are above and beyond Christians....why won't you just simply answer the question?
I think you are a FREEPloader....
Do you, or do you not donate regularly to FR?
If not....why not?
Why to you refuse to answer a simple question?
I know my Lord and saviors is fair and just
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Yes but Hes not a wimp...
His fair andf just is to send those who refuse to believe Him to hell...
and thats forever, resty...
There will be more in Hell forever than there will be in heaven...
Think about it Resty...
You are not getting any younger...
The clock is ticking on you...
You can never say to God that you never knew what the LORD Jesus Christ said in the Bible...
For years now the Christians in these threads have preached to you and warned you...
Reems of posts with the appropriate scriptures from the Bible have been posted by the Flying Inmen about the saving Grace of the LORD Jesus Christ through His shed Blood...
Here some are again...
Jeus said to resty, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by me.” John 14:6
And then He told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:15, 16
Sorry when I omit words accidently gee Elsie will scold me saying the stenographer stinks!
I don’t care what you think you are going to anyways as you have done in the pass!
Did you actually accuse Tennessee Nana of a diatribe? Is that not placing words in the mouth of Tennessee Nana?
I know my Lord and saviors
BTW.....who are your saviors???????
I'd be really interested in that answer.
Oh please bother someone else I have better things to do!:)
You mean like this?
John 10:24-33 24So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." 25Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one."
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?" 33The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God."
John 14:8-11 8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." 9Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.
LDS doctrine doesn't rely on the Bible alone.
Therein lies the problem. Adding to Scripture and making things up LDS has wandered away from the truth and followed Satan.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
If it were important for us to know, God would ahve told us. Be that as it may, Scripture was fulfilled that a virgin conceive and bring forth a son. If Mary had sex with Elohim as LDS teaches, she wasn't a virgin.
jesus christ is the savior of the World
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That might bee a mormon belief but its not Biblical ..
The mormons there are singing blasphemy...
the mormons might claim that the mormon jesus is that
But the LORD Jesus Christ who is God is not...
He never claimed to be so...
For God so loved the World that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whomsoever blieves in Him shall have everlasting life John 3:16
is not the same as the LORD Jesus Christ came to save the whole World...
Although Jesus shed His blood upon the Cross and died there to save everyone, He will never be savior of everyone...
Most will reject Him...
He is Savior only to those who accept Him and are saved...
While they are alive...
You know...that “free agency” thingy...
deciding for yourself...
Oh please bother someone else I have better things to do!:)
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Then Bye go do them...
Personally there is nothing more important to me a Christian than the LORD Jesus Christ who is the Word of God...
But I’m sure you have those “better things to do”
Dont lets keep you...
http://www.exmormon.org/
http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/
http://www.lifeafter.org/
http://4mormon.org/
http://www.godandscience.org/cults/mormtest.html
Christians have an obligation to tell the truth. We don't believe in lying to tell people what their itching ears want to hear and allow them to be condemned for eternity. If they choose to reject the Word of God as given in the Bible, that's their business.
The LDS are Christians per the Bible.
No, because they don't believe in the right Jesus. They believe in one Joe Smith made up, who's the half-brother of Lucifer. What blasphemy. That Jesus can't save because he's not the one of the Bible.
That excuse is old...and lame.
LDS does not have the Reader’s Digest version of the Bible!
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I never said they did have...
I never mentioned that...
it was you who said that for some unknown reason...
Resty #792: “the LDS...ran around with the Reader’s Digest version they have the unabridged edition.”
it might pay you to read my posts after all and not just say “I will skip”
I was warned about casting pearl before....
They will only turn and rend your words!
LDS does not have the Reader’s Digest version of the Bible!
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Nobody here ever accused the mormons of having any version of the Bible at all...
let alone reading the Word of God or believing Him...
like a bad penny it keeps showing up! LOL
Kid first ya gotta have some pearls...
The kind the LORD Jesus Christ was talking about are not to be found in mormonism...
I think you are a FREEPloader,....A person that posts nearly everyday...24/7.
But I think you don't give anything to FR. Because I think you "feel" like you are wronged here.
Am I right or wrong? Do you...or do you not give to FR..on a regular basis?
Simple answer....YES or NO.
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