[metmom]

Annalex: The hymen was closed even after birth [of Jesus]. Compare John 20:19

count-your-change: Compare it to what? [quotes verse]

To Jesus passing through the locked door.
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In His post-resurrection body, not His pre-resurrection body.

Catholics still have no proof for that assumption. Just because Jesus could pass through physical objects and did so once, does not by default mean that He did it other times.

Those kind of assumptions show a desperation to support some doctrine that is mind boggling.

It gets down to again, that there is simply NO reason whatsoever, for Mary to remain a virgin after delivering Jesus. Her perpetual virginity is totally irrelevant to His work of redemption.

[Quix]

Those kind of assumptions show a desperation to support some doctrine that is mind boggling.

It gets down to again, that there is simply NO reason whatsoever, for Mary to remain a virgin after delivering Jesus. Her perpetual virginity is totally irrelevant to His work of redemption.

[Cronos]

Hardly -- what is funnier is those who believe in SOLA scriptura can't find that term in the Bible hence the term is negated according to the rule of SOLA scriptura -- a circular failure

let's see what you DO believe:
1. That Mary was a virgin when Christ was conceived
2. This was a spiritual birth -- she did not have intercourse

Now, post that, do you actually have any proof for her having other children? Either scriptural (for a sola scriptura lady) or from early Christians? No.

You use suppositions from scipture ("brethern", which is commonly the term for cousins in the Middle East even until today or could even be half/step-brothers and sisters -- as early Christians held that St. Joseph was an elderly man when he was placed in charge of Mary -- and I guess the guys in those days know a leetle better than someone 2000 years later, eh?

At no point since the time of Christ was Mary's ever virginity ever doubted, until 1500 years later. And this of course led to the next stage which we see expressed in Mormonism and JWs and the OPC -- that ok, Jesus (according to the LDS, OPC etc) was nothing special, a man who became God according to them.

Why is it so important to YOU to deny this and to deny the writings of Early Christians?

Doesn't the conundrum of the term sola scriptura which is not IN scripture confuse you enough?

What difference does it make to you that Mary was a virgin after she gave birth to Our Lord?

[annalex]

The perpetual virginity of Mary is not an assumption. It is a fact passed on through tradition but not recorded in the Gospel. You choose not to believe it and I choose to believe it. But it is not an assumption that someone makes without knowledge. Someone had the knowledge and passed it on.

There are things about my family that have never been recorded. (in fact most things about my family have not been recorded, but that it beside the point). For example, my grandfather volunteered for the General Kolchak army, and since that would have earned him a firing squad under the Bolsheviks, he destroyed any evidence he had of it. But he told me that. It is a fact that has no documentary corroboration. It is still a fact. I tell it to you as a fact. Now, you may decide not to believe me. That makes it fact in which you don’t believe. But it is a fact nevertheless. You can tell me, — Annalex, I don’t believe you. Very well. But you cannot tell me —Annalex, you are making an assumption about your grandfather. I did not make an assumption based on some circumstantial evdidence. I have direct evidence. Same with Perpetual Virginity of Our Lady.