In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[kosta50]

Who is this 'God' you speak of?

The OT God.

[kosta50]

Actually, not really. They knew even back then that God would provide a way for man to be reunited to him

Nothing in those verses says anything like that, bb.

could continue to provide you the rest of the 200+ "Messianic" prophesies, but something tells me you (a) already know what I am talking about and (b) aren't all that interested in hearing them again

Maybe on another thread dedicated to that topic.

[presently no screen name]

I imagine he was speaking of the Christ.I was just retyping his words.

So you were commenting on something but you have no idea what IT is. That sounds about right.

[Cronos]

you mean that if you do something wrong and do not truly feel sorry for it and do something to SHOW to God that you are truly sorry, you think it’s ok?

[Cronos]

you seriously have not attended confession if you don’t know that that it is a strong a motivation to NOT sin again — Go and sin no more.

[kosta50]

To be begotten is to be caused the way I understand the term.

OK, what am I driving at? Your question. I am trying to explore what it is you think you know or don’t know about God M

Why don't you just ask me? For starters, tell me what is God.

You are delving into the Bible, and that is one of the last chapters to be addressed.

[Cronos]

Hardly -- do read your post #3677 again -- this is ostensibly in response to Annalex saying Mary the Mother of God was at the Cross along with Mary Cleophas and Mary Magdalene. Mary the Mother of God was not among the women bringing myrrh to the tomb.

And in response to this you say Um, where is the term *Mother of God* found in Scripture?

There is no discussion about "sola scriptura" --> until NOW.

So where is the term 'sola scriptura' found in Scripture?

Where is the term 'sola fide' found in scripture (trick question :-) ?

We don't believe in the term "sola scriptura" i.e. ALONE. hence your argument about why we follow terms that aren't there is nonsensical -- YOU believe in sola scriptura, i.e. every term should be in the Bible ALONE, yet you believe in non-Biblical terms like "sola scriptura", "sola fide", "trinity".

Check the plank in your own eye...

[kosta50]

I knew what “it” is; I just wanted to see how far you were going withjnyour silly questions. What Christ could he have been he talking about? Gee, let’s see...So, unless you have something of consequence to say, you might as well stop now.

[Cronos]

The perpetual virginity of Mary has always been reconciled with the biblical references to Christ’s brethren through a proper understanding of the meaning of the term "brethren." The understanding that the brethren of the Lord were Jesus’ stepbrothers (children of Joseph) rather than half-brothers (children of Mary) was the most common one until the time of Jerome (fourth century). It was Jerome who introduced the possibility that Christ’s brethren were actually his cousins, since in Jewish idiom cousins were also referred to as "brethren." The Catholic Church allows the faithful to hold either view, since both are compatible with the reality of Mary’s perpetual virginity.

Even if one belives in SOLA scriptura, there is no proof either way for or against.

However, if one lets go of the ego of SOLA mi, and reads what early Christians actually thought, then you have

>Hilary of Poitiers

"If they [the brethren of the Lord] had been Mary’s sons and not those taken from Joseph’s former marriage, she would never have been given over in the moment of the passion [crucifixion] to the apostle John as his mother, the Lord saying to each, ‘Woman, behold your son,’ and to John, ‘Behold your mother’ [John 19:26–27), as he bequeathed filial love to a disciple as a consolation to the one desolate" (Commentary on Matthew 1:4 [A.D. 354]).

  Athanasius

"Let those, therefore, who deny that the Son is by nature from the Father and proper to his essence deny also that he took true human flesh from the ever-virgin Mary" (Discourses Against the Arians 2:70 [A.D. 360]).

  Epiphanius of Salamis

"We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of all things, both visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God . . . who for us men and for our salvation came down and took flesh, that is, was born perfectly of the holy ever-virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit" (The Man Well-Anchored 120 [A.D. 374]).

"And to holy Mary, [the title] ‘Virgin’ is invariably added, for that holy woman remains undefiled" (Medicine Chest Against All Heresies 78:6 [A.D. 375]).

  Jerome

"[Helvidius] produces Tertullian as a witness [to his view] and quotes Victorinus, bishop of Petavium. Of Tertullian, I say no more than that he did not belong to the Church. But as regards Victorinus, I assert what has already been proven from the gospel—that he [Victorinus] spoke of the brethren of the Lord not as being sons of Mary but brethren in the sense I have explained, that is to say, brethren in point of kinship, not by nature. [By discussing such things we] are . . . following the tiny streams of opinion. Might I not array against you the whole series of ancient writers? Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, and many other apostolic and eloquent men, who against [the heretics] Ebion, Theodotus of Byzantium, and Valentinus, held these same views and wrote volumes replete with wisdom. If you had ever read what they wrote, you would be a wiser man" (Against Helvidius: The Perpetual Virginity of Mary 19 [A.D. 383]).

"We believe that God was born of a virgin, because we read it. We do not believe that Mary was married after she brought forth her Son, because we do not read it. . . . You [Helvidius] say that Mary did not remain a virgin. As for myself, I claim that Joseph himself was a virgin, through Mary, so that a virgin Son might be born of a virginal wedlock" (ibid., 21).

  Didymus the Blind

"It helps us to understand the terms ‘first-born’ and ‘only-begotten’ when the Evangelist tells that Mary remained a virgin ‘until she brought forth her first-born son’ [Matt. 1:25]; for neither did Mary, who is to be honored and praised above all others, marry anyone else, nor did she ever become the Mother of anyone else, but even after childbirth she remained always and forever an immaculate virgin" (The Trinity 3:4 [A.D. 386]).

  Ambrose of Milan

"Imitate her [Mary], holy mothers, who in her only dearly beloved Son set forth so great an example of material virtue; for neither have you sweeter children [than Jesus], nor did the Virgin seek the consolation of being able to bear another son" (Letters 63:111 [A.D. 388]).

  Pope Siricius I

"You had good reason to be horrified at the thought that another birth might issue from the same virginal womb from which Christ was born according to the flesh. For the Lord Jesus would never have chosen to be born of a virgin if he had ever judged that she would be so incontinent as to contaminate with the seed of human intercourse the birthplace of the Lord’s body, that court of the eternal king" (Letter to Bishop Anysius [A.D. 392]).

  Augustine

"In being born of a Virgin who chose to remain a Virgin even before she knew who was to be born of her, Christ wanted to approve virginity rather than to impose it. And he wanted virginity to be of free choice even in that woman in whom he took upon himself the form of a slave" (Holy Virginity 4:4 [A.D. 401]).

"It was not the visible sun, but its invisible Creator who consecrated this day for us, when the Virgin Mother, fertile of womb and integral in her virginity, brought him forth, made visible for us, by whom, when he was invisible, she too was created. A Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual. Why do you wonder at this, O man?" (Sermons 186:1 [A.D. 411]).

"Heretics called Antidicomarites are those who contradict the perpetual virginity of Mary and affirm that after Christ was born she was joined as one with her husband" (Heresies 56 [A.D. 428]).

  Leporius

"We confess, therefore, that our Lord and God, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, born of the Father before the ages, and in times most recent, made man of the Holy Spirit and the ever-virgin Mary" (Document of Amendment 3 [A.D. 426]).

  Cyril of Alexandria

"[T]he Word himself, coming into the Blessed Virgin herself, assumed for himself his own temple from the substance of the Virgin and came forth from her a man in all that could be externally discerned, while interiorly he was true God. Therefore he kept his Mother a virgin even after her childbearing" (Against Those Who Do Not Wish to Confess That the Holy Virgin is the Mother of God 4 [A.D. 430]).

  Pope Leo I

"His [Christ’s] origin is different, but his [human] nature is the same. Human usage and custom were lacking, but by divine power a Virgin conceived, a Virgin bore, and Virgin she remained" (Sermons 22:2 [A.D. 450]).

Of course, if you think you know better than the Early Christians who I think were closer in time to know than someone 2000 years later...

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Your posts are being removed faster than you can type them.

[getoffmylawn]

Don’t ping me.

[getoffmylawn]

Don’t ping me.

[presently no screen name]

I knew what “it” is; I just wanted to see how far you were going withjnyour silly questions

Of course you did and I wanted to see how many times I had to ask because you decided to answer with a 'non answer' like this.....

Gee, let’s see...So, unless you have something of consequence to say, you might as well stop now.

You proved me right. Talking about things you have no answer for - like Who is Christ, like Who is God.

You 'supposedly' have no idea Who They are but keep jabbering away about THEM.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Let me help you, Mark.

The dictionary definition of "reprobate is...

rep·ro·bate

n.
1. A morally unprincipled person.
2. One who is predestined to damnation.

And yet you wrote...

The whole WCF up until now has told us that the reprobate cannot avoid sin and cannot be saved.

Mark, no man can "avoid sin." That is not the definition of a reprobate. That is the definition of mankind.

The definition of a "reprobate" is one who will not repent and believe. Thus, by definition, a "reprobate" is one who "cannot be saved" for "everything not of faith is sin."

Now you know.

[presently no screen name]

There is only ONE God Who always was and always will be. He is ‘I AM that I AM’. You can’t confine Him to one area/place of time.

[Cronos]

Hardly -- what is funnier is those who believe in SOLA scriptura can't find that term in the Bible hence the term is negated according to the rule of SOLA scriptura -- a circular failure

let's see what you DO believe:
1. That Mary was a virgin when Christ was conceived
2. This was a spiritual birth -- she did not have intercourse

Now, post that, do you actually have any proof for her having other children? Either scriptural (for a sola scriptura lady) or from early Christians? No.

You use suppositions from scipture ("brethern", which is commonly the term for cousins in the Middle East even until today or could even be half/step-brothers and sisters -- as early Christians held that St. Joseph was an elderly man when he was placed in charge of Mary -- and I guess the guys in those days know a leetle better than someone 2000 years later, eh?

At no point since the time of Christ was Mary's ever virginity ever doubted, until 1500 years later. And this of course led to the next stage which we see expressed in Mormonism and JWs and the OPC -- that ok, Jesus (according to the LDS, OPC etc) was nothing special, a man who became God according to them.

Why is it so important to YOU to deny this and to deny the writings of Early Christians?

Doesn't the conundrum of the term sola scriptura which is not IN scripture confuse you enough?

What difference does it make to you that Mary was a virgin after she gave birth to Our Lord?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

It’s an open forum. If you don’t like what I post, don’t read it.

[getoffmylawn]

Don’t ping me.

[Cronos]

That’s the thing we believe that we are suffering for Christ — The Church is Christ’s body and each attack from within or without is an attack on Christ. Christ said we would be hated and that is apparent.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I’ll give you the last word you appear to be demanding.