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Becoming Scripture: D&C 138 (Mormonism - Open)
Mormon Coffee (Mormonism Research Ministry) ^ | Oct. 3, 2007 | Sharon Lindbloom

Posted on 10/26/2010 3:02:11 PM PDT by Colofornian

Here's your history lesson for the day.

October 3rd 1918, then LDS Church President Joseph F. Smith received a vision regarding the redemption of the dead. The next day at General Conference,

“President Smith declared that he had received several divine communications during the previous months. One of these, concerning the Savior’s visit to the spirits of the dead while his body was in the tomb, he had received the previous day. It was written immediately following the close of the conference; on October 31, 1918, it was submitted to the counselors in the First Presidency, the Council of the Twelve, and the Patriarch, and it was unanimously accepted by them.” (Doctrine and Covenants, Introduction to Section 138)

Following this endorsement of President Smith’s October 3rd vision by Church leaders, the revelation was published in the December 1918 issue of the Improvement Era magazine and in the January 1919 issue of The Utah Genealogical and Historical Magazine.

It wasn’t until 57 years later, at the April 1976 General Conference, that President Smith’s vision was presented to the general membership of the Church to be accepted as Scripture and approved for inclusion in the Pearl of Great Price. In June of 1979 the First Presidency of the Church announced that the vision would be removed from the Pearl of Great Price and added to the Doctrine and Covenants as Section 138, where it remains today.

I find it curious that this revelation — from God to His prophet (from the LDS perspective), written down, regarded as true by top Church leaders, and made public — was not actually presented to members of the Church (to be adopted and accepted) until more than half a century later.

I also wonder about the other “divine communications” which President Smith said he received in 1918. Only one (to date) has been canonized. Perhaps sometime in the future some of his other revelations will be presented to Church members for their approval and acceptance.


TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Other Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: baptismforthedead; inman; lds; mormons; revelations
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To: boatbums

“Thank you. I liked your version better. ;o)”

You are welcome-the mormon cult link-spamming is a great opportunity to point out how bizarrely they distort the truth.

He added a picture of a statue in his latest spam - so much more powerful! Of course the mormonic jesus is a created, sinful spirit being who cannot save...


21 posted on 10/26/2010 7:40:56 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Godzilla
BZZZT, BZZZT, BZZZT, BZZZT...

WHAT'S THAT ZILLA?

BZZZT, BZZZT, BZZZT, BZZZT...

CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE PRINTER!

ZING!

Riiiiip...

Oh, that's better, they must be getting ready to post the latest defense...

22 posted on 10/26/2010 7:49:37 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Paragon Defender
I went to your "answeringantimormons" website and looked up the part about John 1:1. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.". This "answer" was that all the Bibles, except the ones approved by LDS, interpret the Greek incorrectly and should be saying that the "Word was a god". This is basically saying what Christians disagree with Mormons most about and that is who Jesus Christ is.

LDS says Jesus was a lessor god than Almighty God, that there are many other gods and leave open your doctrine about the capability for other humans to become gods themselves. I went to your recommended site and checked out your "answer" and it contradicts historical Christianity. Just like we have been told you do on these very threads!

23 posted on 10/26/2010 7:56:37 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: ejonesie22
Oh, that's better, they must be getting ready to post the latest defense...

Yep as usual it is all garbled and stupid. . . . .

24 posted on 10/26/2010 7:59:37 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: boatbums
Like all hate spewing antis you misrerespreset what was clearly said there. Jesus is god, The Father is god. We only worship one God. There is only one god period, in two personages. We hope to one day join them to be a god ourselves. But there will still only be one god, just more of them.

It is very clear and if you take off your blinders you will see the truth (after pull out your hair and lose your mind...)

25 posted on 10/26/2010 8:05:48 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Godzilla
Shhhh...

I am pretending to be a LDS apologist and trying to explain LDS Monopolytheism without going into a coma from rapid IQ drop...

26 posted on 10/26/2010 8:07:36 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SZonian
I detect a “misguided obsession”.

I detect a scared little man...

27 posted on 10/26/2010 8:07:51 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
We haven't been blamed for that yet though!

CAlling pananax!!!

28 posted on 10/26/2010 8:09:18 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paragon Defender

Who REALLY carved that statue???


29 posted on 10/26/2010 8:10:20 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
I am pretending to be a LDS apologist and trying to explain LDS Monopolytheism without going into a coma from rapid IQ drop...

He he he he he

30 posted on 10/26/2010 8:11:04 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: boatbums; Paragon Defender
This "answer" was that all the Bibles, except the ones approved by LDS, interpret the Greek incorrectly and should be saying that the "Word was a god".

WHAT!, they've gone over to using the New World Translation - oh the humanity.

31 posted on 10/26/2010 8:13:16 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Elsie

“I detect a “misguided obsession”.
“I detect a scared little man...

I detect someone with nothing but subjective feelings about a cult with no facts, evidence or logical argument to support it’s wild claims of truth.

It is an empty hole religion that people get feelings about. They know the hole is not empty because they have feelings that it is full. They know their feelings are true because they have feelings to verify their feelings...


32 posted on 10/26/2010 8:15:22 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Paragon Defender
 

Seekers of truth, 

 

  HI!

 
 My screen name is Paragon Defender; but you can call me PD (if you are SINCERE, that is.)
 
I provide TRUTH to ALL who would care to seek it (if they are REALLY sincere) and I do it OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and over again.

I am pleased to offer my services for the Betterment of Mankind.

Please feel free to ask me ANYTHING and I'll sincerely post my link list again.

Remember...

I am normal too; and I am a MORMON!

 

Sincerely, PD


33 posted on 10/26/2010 8:51:28 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla; Paragon Defender
Well another commercial from our car salesman from mormon motors.

LOL

[I think PD frowns upon Consumer Reports' descriptions of some of those brands that are yellow and shaped like a certain fruit]

34 posted on 10/27/2010 1:13:12 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: P-Marlowe; Paragon Defender; greyfoxx39
Are you willing to engage in a conversation about Mormon doctrine and comparing it to traditional Christian and Biblical doctrine? Let's chat, shall we?

Hey, I'm beginning to actually see how PD is quite representative of the Mormon god.

How so? Well, P-M, you & many others invite PD to chat. What do we usually get? Spam.

Well, what's this thread about, in part? It mentions that during the 20th century, the Mormon god only sent down one revelation worthy of canonizing as "Scripture."
Only 1 in 100 years!!!
Doesn't sound like a very chummy, chatty god to me!!!

In fact, the Mormon god speaks so infrequently, that it took the Mormon church almost 60 years to actually decipher it as an actual "revelation!"

Hmmm...what was that final "giveaway" that it came from the Mormon god?

Well, Detective Clouseau of the Pink Kitty Cat series [GF can supply graphics] came to the aid of the Mormon Theological Department.

Detective Clouseau told Spencer W. Kimball that Smith's vision of the dead matched what is "central to the theology of the Latter day Saints" -- (well, at least that phrase is how Lds author Richard E. Bennett framed it in an article on the BYU Religious Studies Web site)...
...therefore, it must be a...
...gen-u-ine
cano-nine-z'd
drip di-rect from Ko-blob!

Here, allow me to quote Bennett in context: Considered an indispensable contribution to...performances of proxy ordinances for the dead, including baptism for the dead and confirmation, and of the relationship between the living and the dead, it has been heralded as “central to the theology of the Latter-day Saints because it confirms and expands upon earlier prophetic insights concerning work of the dead.”

Hmm...one sentence...and Bennett mentioned "the dead" four times!!! (Can you say, "Obsessed" w/the dead?...and he's quite representative of this religion re: focusing on the dead as much as PD is quite representative of this religion spamming us to death!)

And, as pointed out, Bennett stressed that this "vision of the dead" is "central to the theology of the Latter-day Saints..."
Source: “And I Saw the Hosts of the Dead, Both Small and Great"

35 posted on 10/27/2010 1:33:53 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Godzilla

How does “word was a god” even make sense in the context of the thing?

Sheesh...


36 posted on 10/27/2010 4:18:49 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

bttt


37 posted on 10/27/2010 5:23:51 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paragon Defender
Why do you keep posting links to unofficial lds sites except for two of them? I thought you don't like unofficial lds sites because they are just anti-propaganda.
38 posted on 10/27/2010 12:02:09 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism is enforced revelation)
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To: ejonesie22
How does “word was a god” even make sense in the context of the thing?

They are trying to rely upon the flawed translation methodolgy of JWs to avoid the clear translation here, as well as in many other locations in the NT. A lame attempt to superimpose theology upon scripture.

39 posted on 10/27/2010 1:12:06 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

**They are trying to rely upon the flawed translation methodolgy of JWs to avoid the clear translation here, as well as in many other locations in the NT. A lame attempt to superimpose theology upon scripture.**

Hence, the proper word they should be using, concerning their ‘church’, is not ‘restored’, but ‘reinvented’.


40 posted on 10/28/2010 8:01:58 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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