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Posted on 10/08/2010 9:35:07 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

Elohim the Sinner

It was fifth LDS President Lorenzo Snow who coined the expression, "As man is God once was, as God is, man may be" (Articles of Faith, pg. 430). If there was ever an area of proof to show that Mormonism and biblical Christianity is incompatible, this phrase would seem to erase all doubt. Mormon leaders have stated that Elohim (God the Father), as a mortal on some distant planet similar to Earth, went through the same struggles as present-day humans in order to obtain his Godhood. In the words of LDS Apostle Orson Hyde, "God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we are, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is" (Journal of Discourses 1:123). Consistency would demand that if the Mormon God was "mortal like we are," he must have had the attributes that we as humans have. This would have to include a sinful nature.

According to page 132 of the 1976 LDS manual entitled "Achieving a Celestial Marriage, "... our Father in heaven was once a man as we are now, capable of physical death." It would appear that not only was the Mormon God capable of death, he in fact did die. As LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie wrote, "The Father is a glorified, perfected resurrected, exalted man who worked out his own salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, pg. 64). Notice the word "resurrected" and the phrase, "worked out his salvation." Only those who die can be resurrected, and only those who are lost need salvation. Unless McConkie is leading his readers astray, Mormons must admit that their God was a sinner for the Bible teaches that death is the wage of sin (Romans 6:23).

Some Latter-day Saints, not fully understanding the implications behind the death of the sinless Jesus, may ask how it was that Jesus died when the Bible says He "knew no sin." Quite simply, the sins He bore were not His own! He did not have to "work out his own salvation" like the God of Mormonism for Jesus committed no wrong. He instead chose to bear the sins of man.), the work of redemption had been completed -- it was paid in full. All true believers who have come to a saving faith recognize that Christ atoned for their sins on the Cross of Calvary. Christ chose this cruel and horrible death in order to purchase our salvation. That purchase was not a partial payment to be paid off later through an individual's merit. When Jesus said, "It is finished" (Gr. tetelestai

Though I can't speak for every Christian, I can personally say that the idea of worshipping a God who was once a sinner is repulsive, to say the least. If what LDS leaders have said is true, the God of Mormonism does not deserve the worship of any man for he is in essence no better than any of us! Mormon leaders have said that, in order for mankind to prove themselves worthy, they must follow every commandment to the letter. Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith declared, "To enter the celestial and obtain exaltation it is necessary that the whole law be kept" (Way to Perfection, pg. 206). How dare this "deity" demand of us our "complete obedience" when apparently he himself did not follow suit during his so-called "mortal probation?"

Latter-day Saints may argue that if their God did sin, he does not do so now. This is irrelevant. A God who sinned at all is not the God of the Bible for the God of the Bible has always been perfect and holy, just and pure. He is distinct from His creation. He always was God (Psalm 90:2) and never was a mortal man; therefore He could not be an exalted man. Is it any wonder that it grieves the God of the Bible to see many faithful Latter-day Saints bowing in humble reverence to an image of God "made like to corruptible man"? (Romans 1:23). How it must anger Him to see the leaders of Mormonism leading so many sincere people on a destructive course of error.

Watch this video of interviews of mormons regarding their acceptance of a "sinful god"


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1 posted on 10/08/2010 9:35:12 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39
The "Are You Good Enough Test"
2 posted on 10/08/2010 9:37:36 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (ObaMugabe is turning this country into another Zimbabwe as fast as he can with MEDIA'S help.)
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To: colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...

Ping


3 posted on 10/08/2010 9:39:47 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (ObaMugabe is turning this country into another Zimbabwe as fast as he can with MEDIA'S help.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Funny


4 posted on 10/08/2010 9:48:04 AM PDT by svcw (Just in case you ever wondered: As of May 2010, it costs ~ $0.0167 US Dollars to mint a penny.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Show me the Golden Plates!
Show me the Golden Plates!
Obama’s birth certificate in under them.


5 posted on 10/08/2010 9:54:24 AM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: greyfoxx39

My biggest problem with Mormons is their dishonesty. They are deceptive about their beliefs when trying to lure others into their cult. They are wolves in sheep’s clothing.


7 posted on 10/08/2010 10:01:23 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: F15Eagle

The bottom line in any theology is its view of God. The Mormon teaching about God is totally deficient!


8 posted on 10/08/2010 10:03:29 AM PDT by LiteKeeper ("Psalm 109:8")
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To: F15Eagle

The bottom line in any theology is its view of God. The Mormon teaching about God is totally deficient!


9 posted on 10/08/2010 10:03:49 AM PDT by LiteKeeper ("Psalm 109:8")
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To: F15Eagle
As LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie wrote, "The Father is a glorified, perfected resurrected, exalted man who worked out his own salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same"

wow

Yeah, this is the man that 3 Lds "prophets" or would-be "prophets" oversaw and approved the work of his revised "Mormon Doctrine" book in 1966!

Imagine that...such an audacious title...and three Lds "prophets" approved...they were part of what is known as the First Presidency...and two of them went on to become Lds "prophets" -- including Spencer Kimball. One, Harold B. Lee, already was one.

This is the man (McConkie) that BYU would have come on campus to teach devotionals that Mormons shouldn't worship Jesus Christ or strive to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ (1983 BYU devotional).

10 posted on 10/08/2010 10:04:03 AM PDT by Colofornian
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It’s a bad theology. IMHO, anything that has “secret ceremonies” (although they don’t call it that) is suspect.

Jesus was never secret about anything. He lived a sinless, perfect life, and everything was very open. When I read Paul’s writings, I’m always struck by how joyfully he threw himself into a faith that left religious rules behind.


12 posted on 10/08/2010 10:10:26 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: I still care
When I read Paul’s writings, I’m always struck by how joyfully he threw himself into a faith that left religious rules behind.

You need to read Paul's writings again. You missed something important. Since I'm sure you'll ask, I'll tell you...

What are the Epistles? They are not simply letters of encouragement... most of them are corrective. They are instructing the congregations in how to conduct themselves within the Church. Certainly, it follows that this religion had certain rules if one can violate them. There is no correction where there is no regulation. [See 1 Tim 3:15 and 1 Cor 11 for examples]

This view of a disorganized, disembodied church is not biblical.

13 posted on 10/08/2010 11:07:43 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: I still care
Jesus was never secret about anything.

Really? Do you make this up as you go along or has some false teacher taught you this?

Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. [KJV]

14 posted on 10/08/2010 11:17:09 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: F15Eagle
Apostle Bruce McConkie wrote,

"The Father is a glorified, perfected resurrected, exalted man who worked out his own salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same"

15 posted on 10/08/2010 12:32:57 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: pgyanke
... Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God...

Uh...

Where is the SECRET part?

16 posted on 10/08/2010 12:35:44 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: pgyanke
I doubt that " Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. [KJV]" was referring to THESE mysteries.
17 posted on 10/08/2010 12:44:06 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (ObaMugabe is turning this country into another Zimbabwe as fast as he can with MEDIA'S help.)
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To: Elsie

Given what you highlighted in your prior post (in agreement?!), I’m going to assume that reading isn’t one of your strong suits and ignore your question. Refer to my prior post and ponder it some more...


18 posted on 10/08/2010 12:49:09 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: greyfoxx39

Good stuff on your profile.


19 posted on 10/08/2010 12:53:51 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: pgyanke

Thanks ;)


20 posted on 10/08/2010 2:27:29 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (ObaMugabe is turning this country into another Zimbabwe as fast as he can with MEDIA'S help.)
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