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Mormons (LDS) Know More About Bible Than Other Christians
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 09/28/2010 | Peggy Fletcher Stack

Posted on 09/29/2010 3:05:05 PM PDT by zippythepinhead

Atheists and agnostics know more about major world religions than many people of faith, while Mormons can answer more Bible questions than their Catholic and mainline Protestant counterparts.

Those are among the somewhat startling conclusions about religious literacy in America the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion and Public Life drew after surveying 3,412 Americans.

Some of the multiple-choice questions were relatively simple: Where was Jesus born and who led the exodus from Egypt? What religion was Mother Teresa, what day does the Jewish Sabbath begin and what is the name of Islam’s holy book?

Others were more obscure: What is Indonesia’s dominant religion? Which Christians teach that salvation comes through faith alone?

About half the Protestants (53 percent) couldn’t correctly identify Martin Luther as the person whose writings and actions inspired the Protestant Reformation. Fewer than half of Americans (47 percent) knew the Dalai Lama is Buddhist and only 38 percent correctly associated Vishnu and Shiva with Hinduism.

John Morehead, director of the Western Institute for Intercultural Studies in Salt Lake City, had already noted religious illiteracy in the general population as well as in the evangelical community. But he did not expect Mormons to top them in their biblical fluency.

“Mormons tend to emphasize Mormon scriptures like the Book of Mormon rather than the Bible in their devotional life,” Morehead said in an e-mail.

Even some LDS scholars were surprised to find Mormons at the top.

(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...


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To: zippythepinhead
Godzilla. We will surround you with our missionaries in black suits and they will preach you to death :P


801 posted on 10/05/2010 4:01:50 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: zippythepinhead

So to the question, “By what other names have you posted at FR”, you answer, ‘no’. And to the second question, ‘Are you an honest Mormon”, you answer ‘no’. Could we expect anything else from you?


802 posted on 10/05/2010 4:04:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: zippythepinhead
Joe was not a prophet, but a vile imposter, a charlatan.
 
As testified in court, under oath...
 
"Josiah Stowell, a Mormonite, being sworn, testified that he positively knew that said Smith never had lied to, or deceived him, and did not believe he ever tried to deceive any body else. The following questions were then asked him, to which he made the replies annexed.

Did Smith ever tell you there was money hid in a certain glass which he mentioned?

Yes.

Did he tell you, you could find it by digging?

Yes.

Did you dig?

Yes.

Did you find any money?

No.

Did he not lie to you then, and deceive you?

No! the money was there, but we did not get quite to it!

How do you know it was there?

Smith said it was!

Addison Austin was next called upon, who testified, that at the very same time that Stowell was digging for money, he, Austin, was in company with said Smith alone, and asked him to tell him honestly whether he could see this money or not.

Smith hesitated some time, but finally replied, "to be candid, between you and me, I cannot, any more than you or any body else; but any way to get a living."

Here, then, we have his own confession, that he was a vile, dishonest impostor.

As regards the testimony of Josiah Stowell, it needs no comment. He swears positively that Smith did not lie to him. So much for a Mormon witness."

http://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1877Purp.htm

803 posted on 10/05/2010 4:07:00 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: zippythepinhead
"Really? I am a Mormon who has accepted Christ as my Savior."

Really? Which one?

In the Book of Mormon, Jesus brought death and destruction with him to the Cross. In 3 Nephi, Chapters 8 and 9, it details the events testifying of Christ's crucifixion. It describes the desolation of the great city of Zarahemla by fire, and the city of Moroni "did sink into the sea and the inhabitants thereof were drowned... the earth was carried up upon the city of Mornihah...there was great and terrible destruction in the land southward......terrible destruction in the land northward....the highways were broken up....many great and noble cities were sunk and many burned and many shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth.....all these great and terrible things were done in the space of three hours."

Here are links to the Official LdS BoM chapters that detail these events:

3 Nephi 8

3 Nephi 9

3 Nephi, Chapter 9, tells of further wrath as the Lord also destroyed the cities and inhabitants of Gigal, Onihah, Mocum, Jerusalem, Gadiandi, Gadiomnah, Jacob, Gimgimmo, Jacobugath, Laman, Josh, Gad, and Kishkumen. (a total of 16 major cities) Who did all this killing to testify of our Lord's atonement on Calvary?

3 Nephi 9:15 reveals the murderer of approximately 2 million innocent inhabitants of the Book of Mormon lands, "Behold, I am Jesus Christ the son of God. I created the heavens and the earth and all things that in them are." He adds, (in verse 21), "behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world to save the world from sin." I guess the easiest way was to kill almost every living creature; at least the vast majority of that portion of his "other sheep have I." This Jesus was a god of wrath, exercising some form of Old Testament Judgment by the one who was supposed to be the end of the law.

The Biblical Jesus cried out to His Father,

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Source: Saints Alive

2 Cor.11:3-5 tells us that there will be those who would teach a different Christ. Paul says of them, "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ".

It is recorded in the BoM that the mormon christ massacred 100's of thousands men, women and children (possibly millions) and destroyed at least 16, if not more cities.

Yet the Christ of the Bible pleaded for Father to "...forgive them for they know not what they do."?

When He came back, "do not be afraid", "peace be upon you" recorded numerous times in the Bible. No hint whatsoever of Christ going on a murderous and destructive rampage in the ME.

I wonder, were there no evil folks in the ME for the Biblical Christ to destroy? Since the BoM is claiming all those poor souls the BoM christ destroyed were "evil" and without redemption, is it contended that all the folks in the ME were somehow, "special"?

804 posted on 10/05/2010 4:07:34 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: zippythepinhead
Here's a little study for you, zipperhead. You're free to show how anything in the following is not true ... and of course since you've answered that you're not an honest Mormon, we will not expect much from you:

The Implications of
Mormon Eternal Progression
© Spotlight Ministries, Vincent McCann, 2003
www.spotlightministries.org.uk

The Mormon doctrine of eternal progression teaches that God the Father was once a man, who progressed to Godhood through obedience to certain laws and ordinances. Part of this obedience involved getting married to a woman ("The Heavenly Mother"), who gives birth to God’s spirit children, who are sent to earth to inhabit bodies of flesh and bone. These spirit children, if they are Mormons, remain obedient to the laws of the Mormon Church, and are married in the Mormon temple, have the potential to become gods themselves. They will produce spirit children and rule their own planet. This process is then repeated.

The logical implications of this are as follows:
--The present God the Father and Heavenly Mother would themselves have had a Heavenly Father and Mother in existence before them, and they a Heavenly Father and Mother before them, and so on and so fourth. Indeed, not only does this logically follow through in Mormon theology, but many LDS leaders have specifically taught that the present God and Father had a Father above Him, and He above Him, etc. 1
--God the Father would have had to worship and pray to His God and Father as we do to Him.
--If the present God and Father of this planet is worshipped and prayed to by His spirit children, and if Mormon males hope to become gods in the same way, their spirit children would likewise pray to and worship them!
[At this point it is worth bearing in mind that the Bible says nothing about an infinite number of god’s past and god’s to come. On the contrary, Isaiah 43:10 is very clear when God states: "Before me no God was formed and neither will there be one after me." There was no god before God and there will certainly be no gods after Him. He is "the God of gods" (Deut. 10:17; Ps. 136:2; Dan. 2:4, 11:36). That is to say, although there are certainly so called "gods" in existence (1 Cor. 8:5), they are not true God by nature (Gal. 4:8). There is only one true God (John 17:3). ]
--If temple marriage is essential to becoming a god, as Mormons claim, then God the Father would likewise have been required to be married in a temple. Of course, there is nothing at all about this in the Bible.
--Jesus would have to have been married in a temple, otherwise He could not have been exalted and become a god (Christians believe He was always God, and not a god, but The God.). There is nothing at all in the Bible about Jesus being married in a temple, or even married outside a temple. Indeed, the Biblical temples were not even used for temple marriage, but for purification rites, and animal sacrifices.
--Some LDS leaders have not only taught that Jesus was married, but that He was a polygamist! 2
--If families are to be sealed in the temple as a family unit, to be a "family forever", what if one of those family members does not remain obedient to the Mormon faith? How can they remain together as a family, if some members of that family are disobedient?
--Bill McKeever of Mormonism Researched Ministry makes an interesting observation about eternal families. He asks how it can be that a Mormon family can stay together forever in eternity if, for example, the children of that family go on to become gods themselves and rule their own planets? Those family members could not be together if they are each ruling their own planets.

Footnotes

1. "We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.132).
"Some people are troubled over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith.... The matter that seems such a mystery is the statement that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and death and is an exalted man. This is one of the mysteries.... The Prophet taught that our Father had a Father and so on. Is not this a reasonable thought, especially when we remember that the promises are made to us that we may become like him?" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp.10, 12).

2."Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee...We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed [children] before he was crucified (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82).
"There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that non less a person that Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha an the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259).
"In the Church councils, it was spoken of: "Joseph F. Smith_ He spoke upon the marriage in Cana of Galilee. He thought Jesus was the bridegroom and Mary and Martha the brides."(Journal of Wilford Woodruff, July 22, 1883).
"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346). "One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that great loved Jesus, such as Mary and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them and associated with the much; and when he arose from the dead, instead of first showing himself to his chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them--namely, Mary Magdalene. Now, it would be very natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were his wives." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159).

805 posted on 10/05/2010 4:08:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: zippythepinhead

“I didn’t know I was a member of a 14 million person cult. Thanks.”

I suspect you did know.

I also suspect you know there are not 14 million members in your cult.

Heck, as cults go, it’s sucking wind to the Jehovah’s Witnesses!


806 posted on 10/05/2010 4:09:09 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: zippythepinhead

“I am a Mormon who has accepted Christ as my Savior.

Zippy, are you referring to the mormon jesus, the created spirit being, who later got a body and later became one of the mormonic earth gods...

Or the Biblical Jesus Christ, who is neither created nor made, but eternally God?

If it is the first, you picked a Savior who is unable to save.

If you mean the second, GREAT!


807 posted on 10/05/2010 4:11:48 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: zippythepinhead
Well, you win the cupie doll because I have know idea what you post to me even means. Congratulations.
808 posted on 10/05/2010 4:17:39 PM PDT by svcw (Just in case you ever wondered: As of May 2010, it costs ~ $0.0167 US Dollars to mint a penny.)
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To: zippythepinhead

Do you accept the Book of Mormon as fact? If so, then you in fact reject Scripture.

You’re free to follow your heart. As for me, I’ll reject Joseph Smith and follow Christ.


809 posted on 10/05/2010 4:40:09 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: svcw; zippythepinhead

that is so funny svcw, we don’t understand your post either...

LOL


810 posted on 10/05/2010 4:41:03 PM PDT by restornu (Trust but verify)
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To: Godzilla

You post all those facepalms must enjoy smelling your hands!


811 posted on 10/05/2010 4:43:37 PM PDT by restornu (Trust but verify)
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To: restornu

Hey, R how could you not understand you have won the cupie doll several times yourself.


812 posted on 10/05/2010 4:48:12 PM PDT by svcw (Just in case you ever wondered: As of May 2010, it costs ~ $0.0167 US Dollars to mint a penny.)
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To: restornu
You post all those facepalms must enjoy smelling your hands!

Because they are cleaned by the blood of Christ and my salvation is sure.

How goes your bloody rags of 'righteous' works toward earning your salvation resty?

813 posted on 10/05/2010 4:52:33 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: zippythepinhead; restornu
Um, you do realize that Resty is a fellow Mormon and your faith is the one that makes the Jerusalem claim...

So basically you are making fun of your own ideas...

814 posted on 10/05/2010 4:57:58 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Godzilla; zippythepinhead

Zippy the pinhead...


815 posted on 10/05/2010 5:14:09 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: MHGinTN; zippythepinhead
‘Are you an honest Mormon”, you answer ‘no’.

Makes zippy the most honest Mormon Apologist on FR yet...

816 posted on 10/05/2010 5:18:13 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
[ColdSteelTalon incorrectly states]

The Mormon book says Jesus was born in Jerusalem. When we all know Jesus was born in Bethlehem, just as Prophesied.

 

[Stourme adds the correction]

It's called the Book of Mormon. Named after the prophet who compiled it.

Alma 7

    10 And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.

Matt 2

    1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

 
At Jerusalem...not in Jerusalem. Bethlehem is a suburb of Jerusalem. I'm sure, to some, it would have been more appropriate for the prophet Alma to have given GPS coordinates... But seeing as how he lived more than 2000 years ago...access to Google Earth was a little scarce.
 
When Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon he could have just as easily said Bethlehem..but that's not what the words he was translating said.

817 posted on 10/05/2010 6:07:22 PM PDT by Stourme
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To: SZonian
[SZonian says]

It is recorded in the BoM that the mormon christ massacred 100's of thousands men, women and children (possibly millions) and destroyed at least 16, if not more cities.

Yet the Christ of the Bible pleaded for Father to "...forgive them for they know not what they do."?

[Stourme expounds]

Christ was pleading the case of the Romans. That they would be forgiven spiritually for what was happening. The great temptest that followed was a sign for the whole world to see. Because there were prophets all over the world that prophesied about this event. It was all to point to the fact that Jesus is the Son of God and that He had just died for the sins of the world. It was a terrible event so that everyone would know that the prophesies had been fulfilled.

Amos

8 Shall not the land tremble for this, and every one mourn that dwelleth therein? and it shall rise up wholly as a flood; and it shall be cast out and drowned, as by the flood of Egypt.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord God, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
 
10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation;and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.
 
Amos is describing the day of Christ's death. It would be a day of lamentation, mourning, the sun would go down at noon day, the whole earth would go dark. Not everything that happened is included in the New Testament. Only what the early Catholics wanted you to have is there.

818 posted on 10/05/2010 6:28:04 PM PDT by Stourme
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To: Stourme

I thought Smith was the “prophet” who compiled the Book of Mormon...


819 posted on 10/05/2010 6:37:20 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
[ejonesie22 slyly whispers]

I thought Smith was the “prophet” who compiled the Book of Mormon...

 

[Stourme avoids the troll]

umm no... he didn't.

820 posted on 10/05/2010 6:58:53 PM PDT by Stourme
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