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Mormons (LDS) Know More About Bible Than Other Christians
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 09/28/2010 | Peggy Fletcher Stack

Posted on 09/29/2010 3:05:05 PM PDT by zippythepinhead

Atheists and agnostics know more about major world religions than many people of faith, while Mormons can answer more Bible questions than their Catholic and mainline Protestant counterparts.

Those are among the somewhat startling conclusions about religious literacy in America the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion and Public Life drew after surveying 3,412 Americans.

Some of the multiple-choice questions were relatively simple: Where was Jesus born and who led the exodus from Egypt? What religion was Mother Teresa, what day does the Jewish Sabbath begin and what is the name of Islam’s holy book?

Others were more obscure: What is Indonesia’s dominant religion? Which Christians teach that salvation comes through faith alone?

About half the Protestants (53 percent) couldn’t correctly identify Martin Luther as the person whose writings and actions inspired the Protestant Reformation. Fewer than half of Americans (47 percent) knew the Dalai Lama is Buddhist and only 38 percent correctly associated Vishnu and Shiva with Hinduism.

John Morehead, director of the Western Institute for Intercultural Studies in Salt Lake City, had already noted religious illiteracy in the general population as well as in the evangelical community. But he did not expect Mormons to top them in their biblical fluency.

“Mormons tend to emphasize Mormon scriptures like the Book of Mormon rather than the Bible in their devotional life,” Morehead said in an e-mail.

Even some LDS scholars were surprised to find Mormons at the top.

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To: DelphiUser
never call another child of God "fool".

CHANGE the words like a typical MORMON (You'll take this as a compliment, no doubt).

But hey; I'm just another Whore of BABYLON, so who cares what I say.

621 posted on 10/03/2010 5:27:11 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
cause you can't repent of anything while you have a brother you have wronged...

You ain't my brother.

If you were; we could go to the TEMPLE together.

622 posted on 10/03/2010 5:28:11 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
Been on-site all week, no time to post, but thanks you've all been a really good foil for my points...


623 posted on 10/03/2010 5:30:34 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
You did not have Jesus lay his hands on you and give you the priesthood, you can't assume the authority by yourself.

Uh...

Your Supreme Betterness is showing through...

624 posted on 10/03/2010 5:31:55 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22

Remember:

One-way mirrors work the OTHER way, when the lighting is reversed!


625 posted on 10/03/2010 5:33:10 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
If I don't respond then I have been “dumbfounded” by you.

We know.

When you DO respond; it's because you think you've outsmarted us.

626 posted on 10/03/2010 5:34:05 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

Think you got that wrong “it is all about me mentality” is lds after all its lds who think they will be a god.

REALLY???



THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives. HC 5: 501–507. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
 
1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way that leads to eternal lives; 26–27, Law given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation made to prophets and saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
  1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many awives and bconcubines
  2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.
  3 Therefore, aprepare thy heart to receive and bobey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.
  4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting acovenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye bdamned; for no one can creject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
  5 For all who will have a ablessing at my hands shall abide the blaw which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.
  6 And as pertaining to the new and aeverlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my bglory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.
  7 And verily I say unto you, that the aconditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, boaths, cvows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and dsealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is eanointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by frevelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this gpower (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this hpower in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the ikeys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
  8 Behold, mine house is a house of aorder, saith the Lord God, and not a house of confusion.
  9 Will I aaccept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name?
  10 Or will I receive at your hands that which I have not aappointed?
  11 And will I appoint unto you, saith the Lord, except it be by law, even as I and my Father aordained unto you, before the world was?
  12 I am the Lord thy God; and I give unto you this commandment—that no man shall acome unto the Father but by me or by my word, which is my law, saith the Lord.
  13 And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by athrones, or principalities, or powers, or things of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord, shall be thrown down, and shall bnot remain after men are dead, neither in nor after the resurrection, saith the Lord your God.
  14 For whatsoever things remain are by me; and whatsoever things are not by me shall be shaken and destroyed.
  15 Therefore, if a aman marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.
  16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
  17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
  18 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
  19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
  20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
  21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
  22 For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
  23 But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
  24 This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.
  25 aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.
  26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the aHoly Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they bcommit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be cdelivered unto the buffetings of dSatan unto the day of eredemption, saith the Lord God.
  27 The ablasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which shall bnot be cforgiven in the world nor out of the world, is in that ye commit dmurder wherein ye shed innocent blood, and assent unto my death, after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, saith the Lord God; and he that abideth not this law can in nowise enter into my glory, but shall be edamned, saith the Lord.
  28 I am the Lord thy God, and will give unto thee the alaw of my Holy Priesthood, as was ordained by me and my Father before the world was.
  29 aAbraham received all things, whatsoever he received, by revelation and commandment, by my word, saith the Lord, and hath entered into his exaltation and sitteth upon his throne.
  30 aAbraham received promises concerning his seed, and of the fruit of his loins—from whose bloins ye are, namely, my servant Joseph—which were to continue so long as they were in the world; and as touching Abraham and his seed, out of the world they should continue; both in the world and out of the world should they continue as innumerable as the cstars; or, if ye were to count the sand upon the seashore ye could not number them.
  31 This promise is yours also, because ye are of aAbraham, and the promise was made unto Abraham; and by this law is the continuation of the works of my Father, wherein he glorifieth himself.
  32 Go ye, therefore, and do the aworks of Abraham; enter ye into my law and ye shall be saved.
  33 But if ye enter not into my law ye cannot receive the promise of my Father, which he made unto Abraham.
  34 God acommanded Abraham, and Sarah gave bHagar to Abraham to wife. And why did she do it? Because this was the law; and from Hagar sprang many people. This, therefore, was fulfilling, among other things, the promises.
  35 Was Abraham, therefore, under condemnation? Verily I say unto you, Nay; for I, the Lord, acommanded it.
  36 Abraham was acommanded to offer his son Isaac; nevertheless, it was written: Thou shalt not bkill. Abraham, however, did not refuse, and it was accounted unto him for crighteousness.
  37 Abraham received aconcubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and bJacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their cexaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.
  38 David also received amany wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.
  39 aDavid’s wives and concubines were bgiven unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the ckeys of this power; and in none of these things did he dsin against me save in the case of eUriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath ffallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I ggave them unto another, saith the Lord.
  40 I am the Lord thy God, and I gave unto thee, my servant Joseph, an aappointment, and restore all things. Ask what ye will, and it shall be given unto you according to my word.
  41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man areceiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy banointing, she hath committed cadultery and shall be destroyed.
  42 If she be not in the new and everlasting covenant, and she be with another man, she has acommitted adultery.
  43 And if her husband be with another woman, and he was under a avow, he hath broken his vow and hath committed adultery.
  44 And if she hath not committed adultery, but is innocent and hath not broken her vow, and she knoweth it, and I reveal it unto you, my servant Joseph, then shall you have power, by the power of my Holy Priesthood, to take her and agive her unto him that hath not committed badultery but hath been cfaithful; for he shall be made ruler over many.
  45 For I have conferred upon you the akeys and power of the priesthood, wherein I brestore all things, and make known unto you all things in due time.
  46 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that whatsoever you aseal on earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever you bbind on earth, in my name and by my word, saith the Lord, it shall be eternally bound in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you cremit on earth shall be remitted eternally in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you retain on earth shall be retained in heaven.
  47 And again, verily I say, whomsoever you bless I will bless, and whomsoever you curse I will acurse, saith the Lord; for I, the Lord, am thy God.
  48 And again, verily I say unto you, my servant Joseph, that whatsoever you give on earth, and to whomsoever you agive any one on earth, by my word and according to my law, it shall be visited with blessings and not cursings, and with my power, saith the Lord, and shall be without condemnation on earth and in heaven.
  49 For I am the Lord thy God, and will be awith thee even unto the bend of the world, and through all eternity; for verily I cseal upon you your dexaltation, and prepare a throne for you in the kingdom of my Father, with Abraham your efather.
  50 Behold, I have seen your asacrifices, and will forgive all your sins; I have seen your bsacrifices in obedience to that which I have told you. Go, therefore, and I make a way for your escape, as I caccepted the offering of Abraham of his son Isaac.
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
  57 And again, I say, let not my servant Joseph put his property out of his hands, lest an enemy come and destroy him; for aSatan bseeketh to destroy; for I am the Lord thy God, and he is my servant; and behold, and lo, I am with him, as I was with Abraham, thy father, even unto his cexaltation and glory.
  58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.
  59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.
  60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.
  61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
  62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.
  63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.
  64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.
  65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.
  66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

627 posted on 10/03/2010 5:35:50 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: truth_seeker
The point was that they were Americans who emigrated here...

I think you mean:

.. they were Americans AFTER they emigrated here,

628 posted on 10/03/2010 5:37:21 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Your slip is showing.


629 posted on 10/03/2010 5:45:41 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Elsie

Oh, right. Mine did have that one. I got it right.


630 posted on 10/03/2010 5:46:26 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: MHGinTN

Who is Jesus addressing?

That is the they in “Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?”


631 posted on 10/03/2010 5:55:36 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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632


632 posted on 10/03/2010 7:35:43 AM PDT by svcw (Just in case you ever wondered: As of May 2010, it costs ~ $0.0167 US Dollars to mint a penny.)
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To: ejonesie22; svcw
Priesthood has nothing to do with it.

When Jesus preached, the Sanhedrin itself, the lawful priesthood arm of the church in that day condemned him because they did not understand their own Scriptures.

Throughout the ages we have records of prophets being stoned and killed by those who thought they did so to preserve the Gospel as it was known on their day.

SVCW and you and many other antis have declared us to be wrong and declared holy war on us for our “blasphemy” just as the Jews did with Jesus. It no more makes us wrong to follow him than it made the apostles wrong to follow him. Indeed, if we are restoring the church as we claim, then activity such as this should be expected (no, I'm not saying it's proof, just expected.)

The important question is: What does it do to a man's soul to denigrate another man's faith?

Be well may God bless and keep you.

633 posted on 10/03/2010 9:09:24 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: 1010RD
He addressed His answer to the Pharisees who were constantly trying to catch Him in a legalism argument AND to you and me.

That assault from legalism is why the answer is so important in dealing with the legalism of Mormonism. It is also why Paul had such problems with the 'judaisers' who sought to burden new followers of Christ with the weight of Mosaic laws and the 'fullness of the Midrash'.

Legalism is a distraction which disheartens those freed from the wages of sin and death. The guide for life once adopted into His family ought be the Holy Spirit within, not the weight of legalism without, for we know no man but Jesus ever kept all the law.

When someone is bound up in leaglism it is a sure sign of either no new life or assault from a man-made system to empower other men not the born again.

634 posted on 10/03/2010 9:33:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

What makes you think Jesus is also addressing me or you and not just the Pharisees?

How can God condemn a people he’d trained over generations, even from the first moment out of the Garden, to follow the laws?

God gave the Israelites 613 laws. Why?


635 posted on 10/03/2010 9:48:58 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: DelphiUser; svcw; greyfoxx39; Godzilla; Colofornian; colorcountry; Tennessee Nana; Zakeet; ...
How about you explain the Mormonism concept of eternal progression to us, starting with what existed before god created the Universe of all things. It might be helpful for readers if you would be more truthful on these threads. Or do you actually know what your own leadership has taught as their truth in this regard?

"What does it do to a man's soul to denigrate another man's faith?" Delph When opposing blasphemies, it regales a Christian's soul, Delph. Didn't you know? Are you familiar with the opposition to Baal worship written about in the Old Testament and alluded to by Paul in the New Testament?

The entire of Mormonism is founded upon denigrating ALL of Christianity. Have you forgotten? Your 'prophet' and subsequent leaders of the LDS have proclaimed that all of Christianity was in apostasy until Joseph Smith 'restored the gospel'.

Son, that is about as deep a denigration as is possible toward the Catholic Church and the Protestant reformation. It is also a very personal denigration to those who have believed on Jesus and receive God's Grace, prior to the advent of Joe Smith.

Your chosen religion of Mormonism was founded upon the lie that since the 2nd Century until Joseph Smith turned his peepstone toward religious pursuits, Salvation was suspended awaiting Mormon baptism for the dead, and the Catholic Church was not able to baptise nor were any saved prior to Mormonism baptism by proxy!

Those are the facts regarding Mormonism assertions, yet you have the blind foolishness to accuse anyone opposing Mormonism of denigrating another man's faith? ... Do you really, really want us to go against what the Bible teaches: that we should oppose those who would pervert the Gospel of God's Grace in Christ Jesus? ...

And to play one of your little ploys, I fully expect you will go off on a tangent and not answer the questions of precisely how LDS inc defines eternal progression and the preexistence of eternal matter in which a mortal became the God of Heaven and sired Jesus and Lucifer 'from His loins exalted'.

[Speaking now to the demon which holds Mormon souls closed: 'I may stumble in the work, but I will not give up on these you have blinded, no matter how insulting and childish your words through them become. Their souls are precious to the Lord and my instruction from the Bible to contend for their souls is clear and profound. So, 'live with it' or continue in eternal death with it. In the name of Jesus Christ, I oppose you openly.]

636 posted on 10/03/2010 10:17:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Elsie

“I think you mean:

.. they were Americans AFTER they emigrated here,”

Thanks so much for the help. Perhaps to be precise they were British colonists until the Declaration, after which they foought for our country and became Americans.

Later generations converted to Mormonism.


637 posted on 10/03/2010 10:25:13 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: 1010RD
It is apparent that you do not believe Paul's answer to your question. You have no doubt read the letter to the Romans. You can read it again. You have likely read Paul's letter to Timothy and the tretise to the Hebrews.

It is also written that all of scripture is given for our instruction and inspiration. Do you even entertain the notion that you could keep all the law or that any Jew could do so, given Paul's clear teaching that the law was given as a school master?

Jesus was speaking to you also when He addressed the Pharisees. In fact, you recall that comment He made about 'other sheep'? That referred to you and me, dude/dudette. To the Jew of Jesus's day, any who were not of the Jews were 'the other', sometimes referred to as 'the Greeks' but inclusive of all men who were not a Jew, in all time.

You've embarked upon a strategy of only questioning anything I offer, so perhaps we are no longer discussing. I will not be drawn into a game of you playing twenty questions in order to stealthily promote mormonism apologetics. That is a fools errand because I am not as smart as the demons who will feed to you the alleys down which you will want me to dart. Have a pleasant weekend ... and don't pull mormonesque apologetics interruptus.

638 posted on 10/03/2010 10:29:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: 1010RD
"God gave the Israelites 613 laws. Why?" 1010rd

No, God is not lacking in precision. He gave the Hebrews 10. Hebrews gave the Jews the other 603. And with that I bid you adieu

639 posted on 10/03/2010 10:32:41 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: ejonesie22
The poem IMHO is about changing ourselves to love others on the hopes that they will learn from that love, not if you change I will love you.

c am promoting putting our religion to the test recommended by the Bible. Let me make this as clear as I can God offered a way to know if something is his or not, I recommend taking God's word over anyone else’s.

As a programmer, let me inform you that on and off is a test...

Context is always important, we must be in tune with God, not the other way around.

Are you seriously promoting that the self same Jesus who taught that your neighbor is a man by the side of the road When Is considered a heretic is your neighbor thinks that one who sincerely believes in him is not your brother? Even your brother In Christ?

I would hope that your context for religion.

640 posted on 10/03/2010 10:38:10 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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