Posted on 09/24/2010 2:29:21 PM PDT by NYer
Breaking news from the Catholic Herald’s investigative reporter Anna Arco:
Britain could have an Ordinariate by the end of the year, it emerged today.
Sources say that the Rt Rev Keith Newton, the flying Bishop of Richborough and the Rt Rev Andrew Burnham, the flying Bishop of Ebbsfleet, will take up the special canonical structure, which allows groups of Anglicans to come into full Communion with Rome without losing their Anglican identity, before the end of the calendar year.
Groups of Anglicans are already forming across the country in preparation for joining an Ordinariate, according to the blog of the retired Bishop of Richborough, the Rt Rev Edwin Barnes.
In his October pastoral letter, Bishop Burnham wrote that ordinariate groups would likely be small congregations of thirty or so people.
Traditionally-minded Anglican clergy from the South of England were gathering at a Sacred Synod in Westminster today to discuss the future direction of the Church of England. The meeting was called by the Rt Rev John Frank Ford, the Anglican Bishop of Plymouth. He invited the signatories of a 2008 open letter to the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams and the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, which expressed reservations over women bishops.
The meeting was being held only days after Pope Benedict told Catholic bishops in England and Wales and Scotland to see the offer made in the Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum coetibus as a “prophetic gesture”.
The apostolic constitution was a topic discussed at the Synod, according to Bishop Burnham.
In a statement Bishop Burnham said that Anglicanorum coetibusoffered “Anglo-Catholics the way to full communion with the Catholic Church for which they worked and prayed for at least a century and it is a way in which they will be ‘united and not absorbed’.”
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...
thanks for the clarifications.
I really get conflicted growing up and feeling my RC church is very different and very special. Its hard to get so ‘ecumenical”..if a Lutheran seminarian wants to be a Catholic Priest, ok...huh? News to me.
You are no doubt very correct in your technical points...it is my emotional and spiritual feelings that make it difficult for me to incorporate all this stuff. I guess its not hypocrisy, its just never how it was presented to me and to the world in general.
thanks for your “sensitive” comments about “you have your facts wrong, as others have pointed out.”
I have acknowledged where I do not know the technical aspects of the Church rules and regs these days...for example to Vladimir, who patiently responded to my posts with information.
As a lifelong Catholic, remind me to think twice about coming to this forum if I have questions or issues with what I see the church is doing....
God forbid that someone might want to help me understand where I might be incorrect on the facts, let alone offer some empathy as I deal with my religion.
You can keep Your brand of Christianity.
You wrote:
“If it is JUST a discipline...why the big fuss?”
What fuss? Aren’t you the only one making a fuss here?
“You are missing the point I am making about the church being hypocritical saying “There will be no MARRIED PRIESTS IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH”...”
The Church never said any such thing.
“( except for the ones that come from another “church”.”
Or are in a sui juris Church of their own. Do you know what that means.
“Sure a man has a choice about “celibacy” but if chooses NOT to be celibate, he CAN”T become a RC Priest ( unless again from another church-—we have already established THAT exception!)”
So he still has a choice right? If he has a choice, he has a choice. Period.
“and yes, it is a big deal....or there would not be such a resistance to married men becomming ACTIVE priests...”
What resistance? Where? Where are the protests? Where are the letter writing campaigns? Where are the sit-ins? Where are priests quitting in anger? Oh, that’s right. There’s none of that. Do you even think about what you post before you hit the post button?
“that is what we are talking about...not priests who “leave” and have priesthood in their soul.”
I’m right in any case. And you’re not.
“You prove my point with all the “exceptions”...no need for endless exceptions if it is JUST a discipline, NOT a doctrine.”
No. You have proved nothing except that you apparently have no idea of what you’re talking about.
“Of course its a doctrine, or the church would say, “Well, we really would rather you be celibate, but since its not a doctrine and you just got married, well, we will ordain you anyhow!””
I’m sorry, but are you writing all of this as some sort of satire or parody of something? All you’re doing is making yourself look grossly ill-informed. It’s not a doctrine. Show me where in the catechism it says its a doctrine. When you fail you will have proved to everyone that it is NOT A DOCTRINE.
“It just seems ok with a lot of Catholics...”we’ll have more exceptions in the future too...”, oh well, whatever.”
And? What of it? What does it matter to you?
“Why be Catholic then if we are more and more like other churches?”
We are not more and more like them. We are always still the only true Church. Sects simply don’t mean anything.
“No wonder so many priests don’t believe in a lot of the actual doctrines...after all, things seem ok to be a little loose here and there.”
No, they’re not. Priests sometimes fail for the same reason you have.
I haven't said a thing about you personally, or your beliefs. Just some facts about which you had some misunderstandings (is that better than "wrong"?), and a caution against using a buzzword which has become a well-known weapon for dissenters within the Church.
If you're a "lifelong Catholic", you ought to have received some catechesis about the meaning and philosophy of celibacy somewhere along the line. It's not at all your fault if you have not, of course, but the fault of your instructors.
And that seems to have been a widespread problem in the wake of the 60s upheavals in the U.S. Far too many parishes simply quit instructing people in the faith, opting instead for feel-good Kumbaya stuff, cotton candy instead of solid nourishing food.
Perhaps I am a bit sensitive to and outraged by such goings-on, but the Episcopal Church in which I was raised has gone a lot further down that road . . . to its very great detriment. And the very favorite line of attack by the Episcopal loons when you suggest that perhaps there is some actual Truth is . . . "You're so rigid!" If I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I'd have exceeded the loose plate offering in any given Episcopal parish on any given Sunday.
LOL’ing here - may be the first time you’ve been accused of being more sensitive and patient than I . . . . I must be slipping . . . . or you must be . . . . or something! :-D
Do you feel the chill? Hell has frozen over! :)
I saw that article earlier. Quite interesting.
Many dioceses (including my own) have married priests who converted from other denominations. In fact, one of the priest died here in Oregon at a recent retreat, shaking up all the priests, and leaving a wife and children behind.
There have been married priests in the Catholic Church for centuries, just not in the Latin Rite and not in the US. The Byzantines and other Eastern Catholics have had a married clergy for a long time.
Of course its a doctrine
It's doctrine -- and was affirmed as such by Trent -- that the celibate state is superior to the married state as far as the service of God is concerned. Of course that's straight out of Scripture (1 Cor 7).
The Latin Church's practice of not ordaining married men is not doctrine. It's a prudential decision that is based on that doctrinal point, but, like any other prudential decision, exceptions can be made.
Wow, cool, so they'll beat the Israeli-Palestinian peace deadline called for by Omaba!
You missed the whole point...
You”apologize’ and then go right on with your critcisms..
“You may be a wee bit sensitive”,
Yes, your comments are personal and moreover , they are patronizing....Patronizing is a real put down.
But congratulate yourself on YOUR superiority...that way you will be right and not have to deal with any Catholics that may be trying to understand their church, but just aren’t as smart or knowledgeable as you. Just keep telling them they are ignorant, etc and keep telling them how they are “just tooo sensitive” and how you REALLY didn’t mean to be offensive.
Better yet, just tell them to leave the Church if they don’t like it or have questions or concerns...just tell them our church sure doesn’t need your overly sensitive, ignorant kind!
thanks for your comment...guess I had not run into that so much.
thanks for your comment...guess I had not run into that so much.
Thanks for your post...You are helping me to understand what was not very clear to me before..and in a patient way..I appreciate that.
One’s faith and religion are not just always “rational” areas....there is a lot that goes with the “facts”.
Guess its just a laugh riot for you...why take seriously when someone is trying to communicate a difficult topic...Nah, just make fun of their attempt instead..
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