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To: Gamecock

**Sure he does. Not sure what that has to do with election though. **

OK, let’s say you are among the “supposed” elect. But you refuse to suffer (Carry your own Cross) and instead choose assisted suicide.

To me, this person would no longer be among the “supposed elect.”

And it could happen. No such thing as pre-destination, because God always waits for the sinner. Even up to the death-bed conversions.


32 posted on 09/06/2010 7:22:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
OK, let’s say you are among the “supposed” elect. But you refuse to suffer (Carry your own Cross) and instead choose assisted suicide.

Christ died for all sins. Past, present and future. Bible sez so.

To me, this person would no longer be among the “supposed elect.”

Fortunately, we are not the judge.

And it could happen. No such thing as pre-destination, because God always waits for the sinner. Even up to the death-bed conversions.

Predestination is in the Bible.

God waiting for EVERY sinner is not. God draws his own.

Just like any other conversion, God in the person of the Holy Spirit drives the death bed conversion.

Again, your argument is with Scripture and therefore God.

36 posted on 09/06/2010 7:27:19 PM PDT by Gamecock (Mormonism: The more you know the goofier it is!)
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To: Salvation
OK, let’s say you are among the “supposed” elect. But you refuse to suffer (Carry your own Cross) and instead choose assisted suicide.

Am I missing something, or is not the obvious answer, "Then, they weren't really among the elect in the first place?" Again, we can't know who is among the elect. Reread Mt 7:

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

No one can say who is elect. But your failure to do the will of Jesus' Father in heaven is a pretty good sign you are not. I would put suicide in there.

43 posted on 09/07/2010 8:39:26 AM PDT by naturalized
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