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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


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To: wideawake
Moreover, the use of the term "Brazilian TFP" implies that this was small wayward branch of the organization

Nope, that's not what I had in mind. Most people who know he personally started the Brazilian TFP and that it was a big organization.

Where did these supposed authors of the blasphemous litany get their ideas? In what context did they think this was appropriate to use? In an organization so dedicated to hierarchy and loyalty why are we to believe this was an aberration? Is it possible that these "young members" took a bullet for the real author, their beloved Oliveira?

Now, you're getting conspiracy minded. I felt I had to speak up because I've had dealings with the American TFP for years now, and as much exposure I've had to them, I've never seen anything like what their detractors have accused of them. Yes, they have an unusual apostolate in these modern times, but that's what makes them stand out.

621 posted on 08/30/2010 1:02:48 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: bronx2; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..

BEARING FALSE WITNESS IS NOT A FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.


622 posted on 08/30/2010 1:10:06 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Hank Kerchief; Quix
Is this any surprise to anyone? The Catholic Church has always viewed itself as the ONE true church and historically before the Reformation had a view of groups of countries ruled over by the Holy Roman Empire. Sir Thomas More, a saint of the Church, wrote Utopia about this issue.

They have a schism within their own theology these days. If they believe salvation can take part outside the Catholic Church, then they are really saying they are not the ONE true church. Really, for what practical purpose is the Eucharist? If they say salvation and grace is given ONLY through the Catholic Church, then they do wish to become the Holy Roman Church. God's grace is truly given through the Eucharist dispense by the Church. They are really at odds with their own Canon 1 from the Fourth Laterin Council of 1215.

You can't say you are dispensing God's grace through the Eucharist and still believe there are other means of salvation. You're either the ONE true Holy Church despensing God's grace or you're not. Their doctrine and logic is flawed IMO.
623 posted on 08/30/2010 1:29:49 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

That’s a WELL PUT AND WELL FOUNDED PERSPECTIVE, imho.


624 posted on 08/30/2010 1:32:21 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos

Well her mother was a Kennedy and her father was probably a Borgia, so yeah. When historians write of religion in our day will they talk about “information age televanelists” the way we talk about renaissance popes?


625 posted on 08/30/2010 1:36:17 PM PDT by Legatus
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To: Legatus

bleh... it’s a Monday, that’s my excuse. Televangelists.

And I know Sister Whatsherface wasn’t a -tele-evangelist but a radio, but it’s the same premise.


626 posted on 08/30/2010 1:38:49 PM PDT by Legatus
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To: Quix
WhAT YOU WROTE YOU WROTE AND IT STANDS AS WRITTEN! YOU ARE INDICTED BY YOUR OWN TESTIMONY OF POST 598. IT STANDS AS WRITTEN MUCH LIKE WHAT PILATE WROTE.ARE YOU PROUD OF YOUR INFAMUOUS STATEMENTBE?

Neither is suicide a gift of the Holy Spirit . Did the Semple ones suicide in 1944 originate from her realization that she deceived so many into believing that private interpretation was permitted or that she had bore false witness? Oh Wait! She was already saved so no judgment for Aimee notwithstanding the commandment to refrain from killing.

So do what your sinful desires dictate as long as you accept Jesus with your lips? Where is that in the bible? Need chapter and verse. God bless

627 posted on 08/30/2010 1:39:31 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: OLD REGGIE; narses

Thanks, I get from this that your church is not Christian, i.e., does not require or affirm the divinity of Christ, the basics creeds of orthodox Christian churches. It is, as it claims, Universalism. Do you consider yourself a Christian?

Also, on the topic of fallibility. In keeping with your position here, would you say your church holds they could be wrong about their absolute principles, e.g.:

“The inherent dignity and worth of every person.”

Is this always true, a certain and infallible proclamation of the “covenant” written by UU? I don’t see an “*But we could be wrong about this” in the document.


628 posted on 08/30/2010 1:40:17 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: bronx2; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..

BEARING FALSE WITNESS IS NOT A FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.


However, it appears that the rabid clique type RC’s have shifted the last month or so into high gear toward much more relentlessly chronic

mean-spiritedness,
raw nastiness,
virulent vengeance,
brazen falsehoods [i.e. markedly above the usual high levels of such],
galactic level haughtiness,
prickliness of the 3” long thorn type,
. . .
etc. etc.

Given that this appears to be a significant and lasting shift, perhaps the Proddys would be willing to give extra points for such over-the-top evils.

Though the creativity involved is slightly above negligible, it’s at least markedly above usual.

Otherwise, it’s pretty typical crud—just exaggerated in mean-spirited, etc. ways to unusually high [as in low] levels. Perhaps the Proddys would be willing to acknowledge such an ‘achievement’ in reverse in some memorable or meaningful way.

Pondering . . . .

I know . . . we could award them 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 BLACK HANKYS depending on the level of awfulness demonstrated.

Any better ideas, group?

We don’t have to worry about points for style given the utter absence of such.


629 posted on 08/30/2010 1:54:23 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix; The Comedian

In case you need a break TC, let us know if you have any clever ideas.

ping to above post.


630 posted on 08/30/2010 1:57:11 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix
You would be well advised to concentrate your efforts on the LOVE demanded by Jesus in LK 6 27:35 instead of paying His words mere lip service without the heartfelt sincerity of acceptance.

Remember well Mt 7 21:22 as it may apply to your infamous behavior of blithely dismissing sins.

631 posted on 08/30/2010 2:04:55 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: Legatus
Catechism? Is this an "official" documented, referenced list?

I think I'm beginning to understand the problem here. The list I provided is from Ott's "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma". He went through all the documents of the Church and extracted specific propositions and tagged them according to the degree of authority behind the statement. For instance some are "de fide" meaning they have been solemnly defined by ecumenical councils or the popes. Some are listed because they arise by necessity from a solemnly defined dogma and others are somewhat undefined, still others are "merely" pious beliefs. I believe there are about 800 in all divided into six or seven degrees of certitude. Each of those 800 items has a paragraph or page explaining its origin, usually a citation from the defining document.

I think my point is that the "Faith" isn't a checklist. There is no Catholic shopping list saying "a dozen eggs, a pound of butter, six lemons, a hamster" because it's supposed to be lived. Guess what? I agree with your logic and I agree that there are many "teachings" which do not require the "Infallible" label.

The major problem is this argument is not accepted when proposed by a non-Catholic.

Quoting a Papal Bull, quoting a Papal Encyclical, quoting a well favored Church Father, quoting a Catholic Publication, and on and on is always ridiculed as "not Catholic Teaching" if the "quote" contradicts the opinion of the Catholic "apologetic" of the moment.

632 posted on 08/30/2010 2:08:21 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: bronx2; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..

Is teaching RC’s

to wallow in grossly flawed ASSUMING and CARNAL JUDGMENT

part of the Regular Catechism of the RCC

or is it reserved for the Rabid Clique types’ extra credit classes only?


633 posted on 08/30/2010 2:16:50 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: OLD REGGIE
The major problem is this argument is not accepted when proposed by a non-Catholic.

Quoting a Papal Bull, quoting a Papal Encyclical, quoting a well favored Church Father, quoting a Catholic Publication, and on and on is always ridiculed as "not Catholic Teaching" if the "quote" contradicts the opinion of the Catholic "apologetic" of the moment.

INDEED
TO THE MAX!

However, when duplicity, weasel worded daffynitionaries and the like are a major aspect of the dogma, beliefs and practices of such a !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! of man bound INSTITUTION, what can we expect?

634 posted on 08/30/2010 2:20:03 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: OLD REGGIE
The major problem is this argument is not accepted when proposed by a non-Catholic.

I appreciate the problem. There are probably multiple causes but I can readily identify two:
1. Particularly in the area of EENS (outside the Church everyone is doomed) we Catholics are practically schizophrenic. You'll see it mainly with converts (like me) and with Catholics who are heavily influenced by professional convert apologists. I just can't wrap my head around the idea of my parents going to hell so I'll commit all sorts of theological gymnastics to come up with a way for the dogma to not mean what it looks like it means. You'll notice it with the hierarchy in the area of inter-religious dialog, they just can't wrap their heads around the idea that all these nice pagans are going to hell.
2. Have you ever talked to a European about life in these United States? If you have, replace European with Protestant and United States with Catholic Church and you'll understand what I'm saying perfectly. If you haven't... it's kind of difficult to explain so I'll just hope you have. :)

635 posted on 08/30/2010 2:37:44 PM PDT by Legatus
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To: Legatus

WELL PUT, imho.


636 posted on 08/30/2010 2:48:49 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: terycarl

I like how they think they are “The Church”

“well.....for 1500 years “they” were the only church.....they were the church founded by Christ, they were the church that wrote, interpreted, and saved the bible.....I guess that gives them more than a little credence......ya think???”

I think you need to read the real history of Christs church.

Oh BTW Christ lived over 2,000 years ago, not 1,500; and that’s my point, his church predates the Catholics by a few years....ya think,


637 posted on 08/30/2010 2:57:25 PM PDT by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Quix
(rappels down a rope from somewhere up in the night)

(guffaw)

I think this thread is a waste of time, and so is talking to your tormentors as though they were reasonable people.

But that's just me.

Thanks for the invite though.

(rappels back up the rope and into the night)...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

638 posted on 08/30/2010 3:02:13 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian

HEY! I have to have some light diversion from my class paperwork, grading, administrivia.

FREEPING IS MY REWARD . . . every so many students worth of assignments . . . WHACK A MOLE TIME! YIYPPEE!

I can’t get into heavier tasks on here or I won’t get my paper work and grading done.

Prayers for the project and all your other duties and doings.


639 posted on 08/30/2010 3:06:16 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: bronx2; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
your infamous behavior of blithely dismissing sins.

.

.

REALLY? So, you arrived at such a NONPERSONAL tirade just how?

And "blithely" was discerned just how?

And, while you're at it . . . perhaps you could manage an explanation about how rabid clique types who seem to have such a horrid time living by FR Rel Forum's rules manage to abide so flawlessly by the Sermon on the Mount?

640 posted on 08/30/2010 3:14:42 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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