lolol.
And yet with God all things are possible. 8~)
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
|
"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
|
Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
***Does that include the LDS and the JW?***
‘course not. Your examples hinge on works righteousness. I refer you back to the post that started this sub-thread.
“Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only bad and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”
Seems that quite a few medieval Popes were guilty of the very thing the current Pope condemned....
Exactly.
From a first-up on google which recounts "What the Catholic Catechism says about Islam" which all Roman Catholics are called to believe under penalty of sin...
Let us now consider these statements of authoritative Catholic doctrine one at a time. "Moslems profess the faith of Abraham." Meaningless and dangerous. That Muslims claim descent from Abraham and even claim to share his faith tells us nothing about the actual doctrines and history of Islam. It does not mean that those doctrines have anything in common with Christianity and Judaism. "Muslims along with us adore the one and merciful God." False. The god of the Koran, who is a god of pure will unknowable to man, a god who commands his Islamic followers to conquer the earth, a god who commands that Muslims kill Jews and Christians unless they accept Islam, is not the God of the Bible. "The Islamic faith regards Jesus as a prophet." False. The Islamic faith regards Jesus, along with Abraham and Moses, as Islamic prophets, and says that anyone who believes otherwise is an enemy of Islam who must be punished. "Moslems prize the moral life, and give worship to God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting." False. Muslims only believe in moral treatment toward their fellow Muslims. Non-Muslims are enemies, to be lied to, warred against, stolen from, subdued, and killed. The idea of an objective morality is foreign to Islam. "Forget the past [i.e., forget 1,400 years of jihad, including the destruction of Eastern Christendom by Muslims] and strive sincerely for mutual understanding [with Muslims]." Catholics are thus obligated to forget that their 1,400 year old enemy, their enemy who is commanded by his religion to subdue and destroy Christendom, is in fact their enemy. This obligation on Catholics is worse than suicidal liberalism. It turns suicidal liberalism into a religion, which says if you believe that your enemy is your enemy, if you speak the truth about your enemy who is commanded by his unchanging religion to subdue and destroy you, you are in a state of sin and may go to hell. "On the behalf of all mankind, make common cause [with Muslims]." Muslims are commanded by their god not to be friends with Christians and Jews, so how can Christians make common cause with Muslims? To the extent that we attempt to follow this command, we engage in a sick fantasy that we are making common cause with Muslims, while they use our state of delusion to advance their power over us. "Safeguard and foster social justice, moral values, peace, and freedom." Social justice is a leftist term that has no meaning in the real world. There has never been and can never be a society that has social justice. Social justice is simply a Marxist slogan the effect of which is to delegitimize every existing society, or rather, to delegitimize Western political society. RCC 841 - "The Moslems, "professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who at the last day wiill judge mankind" (Lumen Gentium 16). Though the Islamic faith does not acknowledge Jesus as God, it does revere Him as prophet, and also honors His virgin mother. Moslems "prize the moral life, and give worship to God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting" (Nostra Aetate 3). Noting that there had been many quarrels and hostilies between Christians and Muslims, the Second Vatican Council urged that all "forget the past and strive sincerely for mutual understanding, and, on the behalf of all mankind, make common cause of safeguarding and fostering social justice, moral values, peace, and freedom" (Nostra Aetate 3).
Perhaps muslims aren't such an enemy of Rome afteraall. Perhaps muslims serve a purpose of Rome by further destroying people and cultures which are not under Rome's control.
Certainly it's interesting that while Rome calls muslims its "brother," Rome anathematizes (damns to hell) all Protestants who believe they have been saved by God's grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.
I think Rome knows exactly who its friends are and always has known. It's just that some of us are a little late in catching on to that fact.
Sure it does.
If it walks like a peacock and talks like a peacock...
It’s not a turtle.
There you go again Doc, trying to pin Rome to the mat with facts.
You will have more success nailing Jello to a wall.
A person has to know whose name they are calling upon if it is to mean anything.
There are plenty of people who say “Lord, Lord!” but they don’t know Christ and thus Christ will tell them to depart because He “never knew them.”
To know Christ is to recognize that He is not just Godly, but that He is God.
lolol.
And yet with God all things are possible. 8~)
That is key. He has "opened himself up." No one has done that to him. And yet he refuses to explain why he says a book so frazzled him he couldn't touch anyone for 14 years.
Heaven forbid that any Christian opens himself up to other Christians. I would have thought that this was a pecking party.
Calvinists believe the entire Scriptures, unlike Rome which utilizes a very selective thesaurus.
Negative. Calvinists do not believe in the inclusionary verses of Scripture and they value the words of Isaiah and Paul over those of Jesus. We Catholics look at the Gospels first, the rest of the NT through the Gospels and the OT through the New.
Martin Luther created the archetype and the process of creating one's own religion by simply looking in the mirror and writing down what he thought he saw.
lol. Luther didn't "create" anything. He recognized the Gospel even though Rome had worked to pervert and bury it for centuries.
Negative again. Luther created the prototype of his 'any milkmaid'. He also tried his best to alter Scripture by eliminating all those books that he personally disliked. He also created 'faith alone' in his translation. This has led millions into apostacy due to this deliberate lie.
What Luther saw as his reflection in that mirror was not the pale and pious representation of men's inherent goodness, but the face of a sinner, broken and weary and ultimately consumed with gratitude for the free, merciful gift of Christ's righteousness within him.
What Luther saw was a fat, wealthy and opportunistic man who lived a long and rich life but who started to repent at the end of it, seeing what he had done.
"The human will is placed between God and Satan like a beast of burden. If God rides it, it wills and goes where God wills; if Satan rides it, it wills and goes where Satan wills. Nor can it choose to run to either of the two riders, but the riders themselves contend for the possession of the beast." -- Martin Luther, "On the Bondage of the Will."
If this is true, then the whole purpose of man is as a puppet. A marionnette, dancing to the tune of an evil god and an evil satan, depending upon the whims of the day. I will prefer Christianity, with the hope of St. Paul and the promises of Jesus.
I cannot improve on RnMomof7's great and Scriptural answer. She knows her Bible...
Rnmomof7: That is not a PLACE; it is a position -- as if reclining on Abraham.
Mat 8:11 "And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven."
We have established on several threads that the Pope does not wear Prada shoes and never has. Why do you keep on making that claim?
Don't forget, according to Rome not only is Mary on the cross with Jesus (thereby earning a position in the Trinity) but she is also supposedly the "wife of the Holy Spirit," so she must get a place in the Trinity by virtue of the "spouses fly free" clause found in her initial membership packet.
I cannot improve on RnMomof7's great and Scriptural answer. She knows her Bible...
Rnmomof7: That is not a PLACE; it is a position -- as if reclining on Abraham.
Natural Law did not say that it is a place. He called it a state, which is more accurate than 'position'.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM
LOL.
If it walks like a peacock and screeches like a peacock, please shoot the dang thing or move it well away from my bedroom!
The official position of Rome (CCC #841) is that yes, Christians and Muslims pray to the same God.
Which is a lie.
Perhaps Roman Catholics and Muslims pray to the same god, but that is not the God to whom Protestants pray.
Thank God.
Someone intent on keeping a system of law is basically an unbeliever, which is why it's so much easier I guess to have all the other helpers, the church, their own works, Mary, the so called saints, angels, the pope, the magisterium all jumping into the drowning zone with him
Great post.
I can sense milk curdling.
but she is also supposedly the "wife of the Holy Spirit,"
Do you have any recollection of the Nicene Creed? I thought that the ersatz Christians who profess to belong to the OPC still professed that Creed. Let me refresh your memory:
For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.
If this means wife to you, so be it.
I wonder at the hatred of the Church that has spewed forth since the announcement of BXVI's visit to Britain and the resulting reclaiming of millions of people to Christianity.
Is it simply because if the entire OPC visited Britain, nobody would care and not one newspaper or television outlet would even mention it?
"14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever. What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God"
2 Cor. 6:14-16a
How should the saved act? Like ones freed from the condemnation of the law, that are free to live out and celebrate the plan of God He has ordained for us.. not out of fear, but out of sheer joy !
AMEN!!!
The Christian life is one of faith, confidence in Scripture and good fruit of the Holy Spirit. Christianity is the only religion that at its very core says someone else did something for you, without regard to repayment or effort on your part. Just because it pleased God to save His lost sheep and transform their lives from love of self and useless striving to Christ and gratitude for His free gift of grace through faith.
From the WESTMINSTER SHORTER CATECHISM...
A. Man's chief end is to glorify God, [a] and to enjoy him for ever. [b]Q. 1. What is the chief end of man?
On a slightly different subject; Is a lie still a lie when the truth is not expected?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.