Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[kosta50]

You have a religion without cost, a religion that requires no penance or mortification. All you have to do is “Just BE”

The Reformation was about making the religion more to man's liking and taste, while criticizing the Catholic Church for being a man-made abomination!

[bkaycee]

Sounds like you are a semi pelagian. Man has been wounded but with help can choose correctly.

Is believing a work?

Was it a work for Peter?

Matt 16:15He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

Again, your theology presents a false choice. "Either All God or All Man" necessarily means that whichever way you choose, you eliminate the other. If you choose All God, you cannot hold Man accountable for anything - and you do not have Man but a programmed creature you mistakenly call man.

Rom 9:14What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory.

With free will you have relationship. You have the possibility of love. You have reality: God and Man and His love and grace and our response, choices and consequences.

So Man determines who is redeemed, not God?

[Luke21]

“Don’t stop him with facts, he’s on a roll.
Bigotry and hatred against Catholics, it’s been missing from FR for a day or two. It was due.”

Good heavens. I went to a Catholic funeral yesterday. I’m a protestant. It was very nice. These were humble, gentle people in attendance.

We have a dictatorship forming all right, but it ain’t about Catholics. I detest this stuff.

[bkaycee]

The Reformation was about making the religion more to man's liking and taste, while criticizing the Catholic Church for being a man-made abomination!

Oh, yes, and poor Tetzel financing St. Peters Basillica on the backs of the poor dupes buying indulgences, was just the "facade" needed for the protestant to rebel to the "good life".

[kosta50]

Oh, yes, and poor Tetzel financing St. Peters Basillica on the backs of the poor dupes buying indulgences, was just the "facade" needed for the protestant to rebel to the "good life"

No of course not. But what did the Protestants do different? They created another man-made religion. Are they any more perfect or any less guilty? What exatly did they change or improve?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

A couple of years ago I remember traveling to visit family and attended Christmas Eve service at a Reformed Baptist church. They had communion after the main service and wanted to interview (my words) any guests before they broke bread.

The deacon who interviewed me asked why I should be allowed to partake. I told him I am a sinner who has been saved by faith in Christ alone and I bring nothing of my own. He asked if I was a member of a church that preached the Gospel, and I affirmed that I was. He asked if I could vouch for my family, I did. He warmly welcomed us to the table.

AMEN! Great story.

"Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body." -- 1 Corinthians 11:27-29

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Indecipherable.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

lolol

[OLD REGGIE]

When I was involved in a protestant community I was always amazed by the people running around telling everyone they were saved and guaranteed heaven. Meanwhile they would watch the smuttiest TV shows on and talk about it along with speaking about others behind their back. I realize we are all sinners and this is not indicative of all protestants, but this is brazen,it’s as if in saying you are saved gives one a license to be proud of sin.

And now? You have learned that there are hypocrats in all communities, including your own. Is it that it no longer amazes you?

[OLD REGGIE]

That was the thing, we were using everything the denomination had to offer and comparing ourselves to the absolute bottom line minimum Catholics, rejoicing in our self-righteousness and completely missing the point that we were as spiritually pathetic as the worst of Catholics.

And the obverse?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

" THE Pope will cast aside centuries of Catholic belief later this week by abolishing formally the concept of limbo, in a gesture calculated to help to win the souls of millions of babies in the developing world for Christ."

lol. I wonder how he'll try to finesse this, appeasing all sides by saying nothing too definitive. A little something for everyone.

Ratzinger is going to Britain because the papacy is dwindling in all industrialized countries. In Britain, it's just about extinguished and that's why he hopes to snag disgruntled Anglicans. Thankfully, the crowds have been much less than what was earlier projected by Rome.

This act of fudging limbo is just one more step in making it easier for Anglicans to cross the Tiber, who might foolishly believe Rome is just like them, only head by an "infallible" "alter Christus."

The devil's in the details.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Amen.

Ping to post 5,951.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?q=1&;page=5951#5951

[stfassisi]

Is it that it no longer amazes you?

Yes,dear friend

Now these things trouble me and I spend more time in prayer for people and realizing just how easy I make mistakes too.

For me, the Sacraments,daily Mass etc... is the only way for peace in this world that is falling away.

I,m outta here for the day!

[OLD REGGIE]

The book "Preparing for Adolescence" which was published in the late 70s almost single-handedly wrecked my life. I remember my mother crying out "You used to be so loving and kind, what's happening to you?" some years later I realized that what I had wanted to say was "if you could get all this Dobson stuff out of the house I might have a chance of actually becoming myself instead of this freak it's trying to turn me into." ... er, or words to that effect. So yeah... that took 3 years of intense therapy to work out. :)

30+ years later and if someone wants to send me into a feral rage all that has to be done is for a Dobson book to be tossed into my line of sight. Maybe I just didn't understand what he was getting at, but there's like a 14 year block of my life when I wouldn't allow another human being to so much as touch me, I mean down to little old ladies at church trying to hug me... I'd clothesline them. Sorry grandma, you invade my personal space and you're going down. And no, there's no deep dark secret lurking in my childhood, it's just how I reacted to Dobson's psychology.

Methinks the problem was, and is, much deeper than that caused by a single book.

[OLD REGGIE]

DR.E: (Hoisted by your own petard) I thought it had something to do with pirate flags. Clearly, smelly pirates.

That's something I admire about you, Dr. E. Consistency.

Your comment is indecipherable. Were you following this particular discussion or was this just another drive-by fruiting?

Clearly a drive-by.

[1000 silverlings]

boy, no kidding

[Dr. Eckleburg]

There is no “bigotry and hatred against Catholics” in these discussions. FReepers cannot criticize another FReeper personally, but we can discuss and criticize faiths, practices and beliefs that we do not think are found in God’s holy word.

Therefore there is disdain for errant doctrine such as the beliefs that Mary is a “co-redeemer” and a priest is “another Christ.”

There is a rebuke of the depiction of Scripture as fiction and a dismissal of the apostle Paul as “loony.”

And for pointing out these errors, Bible-believing Christians are called all sorts of names on this forum.

It’s to be expected. When sound doctrine is preached we are told some will have itching ears who will “turn away from the truth, and be turned unto fables.”

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Repressed memories can be killers.

[1000 silverlings]

abolish the concept of limbo

well there goes a lot of fun on the cruise ship deck