Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Read Romans 9. Your argument is with Paul.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

lol. That’s another question for another day.

[Cronos]

Note that the presence of the illumination et. al does not signify that we are puppets in the hand of God. God does all the saving, we only assent, we are given the grace to assent by the power of God -- which He gives to all. So, we do nothing but accept God's grace, with the help of God's grace.

This is completely different from the actions of a puppet.

I can probabaly compare this to a drowning man who can be saved if he accepts the saving hand.

[Cronos]

Yes, you are right — thanks to a pastor of 30 folks, there were riots in Indian administered Kashmir (Iranian TV broadcast the pastor’s threats to burn the Koran) and this resulted in a Christian school being burnt down and churches attacked and no doubt Christians attacked too —> the west does not realise that it’s actions cause misery to Christians in the rest of the world — when Gene Robinson became a gay bish, there were murders of Christians in Nigeria. Now this loon comes and says he’ll burn the Koran, and Christians in Asia pay for his threats.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I quoted you directly in your post 4,688.

If you don't like the sound of your own words, then rewrite them. Don't blame me for repeating them...

DR.E: God threw (Paul) to the ground, caused him to tremble and then blinded him.

D-FENDR: It took much less to get my attention.

Why did it take "much less" for God "to get your attention" than it did for God to get Paul's attention?

[OLD REGGIE]

Put in this way: My expectation, should you and I meet before the throne, is that, because I am full of myself, I will babble on at length about all the stuff I didn't know that turned out to be true. You will finally shut me up and say, "You know, Mary IS more than I thought, praise God."

I will say that I believed what God saw fit to put in the bible about Mary and I have no other opinion. I know it comes as a shock to many, but I don't believe Jesus, as fully God, cares more about Mary than He does anyone else. Everyone of us, including her, is His child and that's it

Matthew 12:
46 While he was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and his brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with him.
47 (Someone told him, "Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, asking to speak with you.")
48 But he said in reply to the one who told him, "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?"
49 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers.
50 For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother."

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I can probabaly compare this to a drowning man who can be saved if he accepts the saving hand.

Who would you prefer to be saved by?

A rescuer who hopes you grab hold of his hand and permits you to be led to shore?

Or a rescuer who grabs you, kicking and screaming in your panic, subdues you and drags you to shore?

[Cronos]

When God created Satan, did He know Satan would fall? Clearly, the answer is yes. God created Satan, every jot and tittle of him. God was well aware of what Satan would do and all that would transpire in his wake.

Yes, I agree that God created and knew, but that is different from saying the God pre-ordained that Satan would fall. It's like saying God created evil and created Satan expressly to make Satan sin and make Satan go to hell. That removes Satan's guilt completely as he's just another puppet on the strings of the puppet-master, if you take that line of thinking

Therefore even Satan serves a purpose, according to the plan God has ordained for this world and the next.

Yes, Satan does have a purpose, but how can you say that God created evil? He created good -- even Satan was once the brightest angel.

[D-fendr]

God comes to us where we are and gives us what we need. Whatever that is is neither reason for self-pity or self-glorification.

Why did it take "much less" for God "to get your attention" than it did for God to get Paul's attention?

Because I am not St. Paul. It seems you are saying this is a scale of who is "better". Therefore, if you are not better, in your words, than Paul, please describe your experience - were you blinded and made deaf and dumb as well?

It also seems you are trying to change the subject and develop a personal attack.

[Cronos]

Christ came and died for ALL men. God's grace falls on saints and sinners alike.

God wants all to be saved -- why doesn't He just force us all to do so? Because we were not created as puppets.

Does God give all men the same amount of grace? --> No. But the grace is freely given by God to all who accept

God gives enough grace to open all men's eyes and ears, yes. Why don't most men listen? I don't know, but God sure gives them the opportunity. We are each responsible for the act of acceptance or rejection of God. The rest of the action is God's

[D-fendr]

Your scripture is about men “in the flesh”. It’s Calvin’s theology that perverts natural man into totally depraved. And perverts God in the process.

[Cronos]

Men being slaves to sin or righteousness has nothing to do with my statement "Note that God using you as a marionette, a puppet is not love. Love is gentle, love is kind... That would not be love, that would be ultimate direction and control where we cannot think a thought good or bad, except directed by God, kind of like we are characters in a video game and directed completely by the programmer/player. That, ma’am, is not love"

We choose to be slaves of sin or righteousness, we build our own chains.

[D-fendr]

Why doesn’t God give all men enough grace to save them, if that’s what He really wants?

How do you know He doesn't - unless you completely remove man and free will from the equation?

Irresistible grace denies free will. We can reject God's grace.

>>>"I foresee your answer will remove man and free will from the equation. "

I did foresee it. But the choice was still yours to make.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Yes, I agree that God created and knew, but that is different from saying the God pre-ordained that Satan would fall.

If I sell a broken toaster I know to be defective and it catches on fire and burns the house down, am I responsible?

If God knew Satan would fall, and yet He created him anyway, we can safely assume that is the course God has purposed for some reason known to Himself now and to us one day.

how can you say that God created evil?

I didn't say it. Isaiah said it.

It is good news that God created evil and is in control of evil. That is why Paul was confident enough to say that nothing can hurt you or me when we are covered in the blood of Christ.

Satan still temps the children of God, but the Holy Spirit will not permit us to fall. We have His promise He will be with us always, to the end of time.

Evil cannot hurt the Christian. And for that reason alone we should strenuously preach the Gospel to all men so that the multitude God has saved will know the blessed assurance of His promises.

Christ has overcome the world. We are His. Satan has no hold on us. Believe it.

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." -- John 8:36

[D-fendr]

If a post can be a clearer statement that God sins, I can’t imagine it.

[Religion Moderator]

Posts 4604, 4605 and 4713 are all of the same type, pushing the envelope of making it personal.

Stop gaming the system and discuss the issues. And do not make it personal.

[metmom]

- that transubstantiation is disproved by the lack of change in the appearance of the elements;

Transubstantiation is disproved by Scripture. Physical evidence verifies it.

- that the Church does not permit married priests;

So, all the priests can now go out and get married? And priests entering the priesthood can get married and do not have to take a vow of celibacy?

- that the chalice is never offered;

WAS!!!! That's been corrected and acknowledged several times. Are your cohorts rubbing off on you that you don't get it?

- and now that the ROMAN Catholic Church is coterminous with the Catholic Church;

When'd that get added?

Your side, against Scripture, thinks that everyone is suited to the highest and most subtle theological inquiry.

Who said that? Where does Scripture say that?

Love the Lord, and rejoice in His love for you. If you must, laugh at me for my knowing that "The Roman Catholic Church" and "The Catholic Church" are not the same thing.

Incoming from other Catholics. When we former/ex/non- Catholics say that, we catch heck. But those of us who lived in areas where there are other flavors of Catholicism (Ukrainian Catholic for example) know that Roman Catholics and Ukrainian Catholics make very sure to distinguish which they are.

[saradippity]

I don’t know where this kissing the Koran came from anyway. I knew that he was just smelling it to see if it was real leather or just some synthetic. I never thought about again.

[Religion Moderator]

Dr. Eckleburg, post number 4634 also pushes the envelope of making things personal.

Don't game the system. Discuss the issues and do not make it personal.

Natural Law, if you tend to take things personally, then you'd be better off ignoring "open" RF threads altogether.

[metmom]

Isaiah 45:7 In multiple translations for comparison.
http://bible.cc/isaiah/45-7.htm

Here is a link to the Hebrew...
http://biblos.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

Going to Strong’s and doing a word study on the word *create* as in *create evil*, shows that the word *bara* (create) has more than one meaning.

The meanings are these....

choose, create creator, cut down, dispatch, do, make fat

A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes) — choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

The word for evil or calamity is *ra* which means
adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displeasure, distress

From ra’a’; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral) — adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. Feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).

see HEBREW ra’a’

So the verse could very well have been translated:

I form light and dispatch darkness, I make well-being and cut down with calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Besides, *calamity* is not exactly the same as *evil*. God may after all, create calamity, for His purpose, but that’s a far cry from God creating evil.

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I do not buy that God creates evil and I have never been able to wrap my mind around Calvinistic predestination that makes us all puppets on a string who have no choice and that God made men for the express purpose of sending them to hell.

Acts 17:30-31 “The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

I simply cannot accept the concept that God commands all people everywhere to repent and then creates them incapable of doing so.

I’ll defend to the bitter end salvation through Christ alone apart from works, the security of the believer, that man cannot come to God unless drawn by the work of the Holy Spirit in his life, and that God is sovereign, but just cannot defend the kind of predestination which makes us mere puppets and God capricious.

If man did not have free will, God would not be constantly challenging us to choose.