Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

"You can not turn God into your or Mary's corrupted flesh and blood no matter how hard you try... "

We cannot, but God can and does. The miracle of transubstantiation takes place on a daily basis and billions have witnessed it.

This underscores a significant difference between Catholics and Protestants. Catholics believe in miracles and witness them frequently. For Protestants and the other odd assortment of Christian-like groups who populate this forum, miracles are something rare and only experienced by people long dead.

2,921 posted on 09/09/2010 1:57:49 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)

To: D-fendr; roamer_1; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Iscool; presently no screen name

Yes, I wonder if wmfights, Dr E, QUix, iscool and presno all agree with roamer that celebrating the Lord's day on Sunday is wrong.

Iscool -- do you do your celebrating on Saturday or Sunday?

2,922 posted on 09/09/2010 1:58:10 PM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)

To: 1000 silverlings

Kind of does make you wonder if they can’t sell Catholicism on its own merits after all.....

If they have to tear down the *competition* (for lack of a better word), so much to show that they have something better to offer, I’m not so sure that they really do have that much to offer.

If Catholicism were so superior, why are people leaving it and why aren’t people flocking to it in droves? And it is were, those questions wouldn’t need to be asked.

2,923 posted on 09/09/2010 1:58:27 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)

To: Natural Law; Quix

no, you believe in your miracles, your toast, your apparitions in the sky

2,924 posted on 09/09/2010 1:59:02 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)

Why exactly does your grouping worship monkey gods and Sister Aimee?

2,925 posted on 09/09/2010 1:59:02 PM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)

Dear Iscool,

“One has to wonder, what are you shooting for???”

That's a very good question.

Open threads where deep theological conversations can take place between folks who believe very difficult things because there is a reasonable standard of civility respected by all and upheld and enforced by forum moderation.

sitetest

2,926 posted on 09/09/2010 1:59:28 PM PDT by sitetest ( If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)

To: Religion Moderator

There’s way too much “Religion Moderator” involvement on this thread. I’m “this far” from deciding to become involved. :-)

2,927 posted on 09/09/2010 1:59:43 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant

To: Cronos; Quix

Mother Theresa was the one with the monkey gods. Like she said, “Whichever god you have in your mind you must believe in”

2,928 posted on 09/09/2010 2:01:48 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)

To: Natural Law; Iscool

The miracle of transubstantiation takes place on a daily basis and billions have witnessed it.

Nobody has witnessed anything. It's still in appearance the little white wafer that was put into the chalice. Not raw flesh, no real blood.

All that's happened is that millions have watched, perhaps on a daily basis, priests CLAIM to have changed a little white wheat wafer into the literal body and blood of Christ.

Since no change in physical appearance has occurred, no one can legitimately claim to have witnessed it All they can claim to have seen is a man going through the motions of claiming to have done it.

2,930 posted on 09/09/2010 2:04:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)

They never have been able to which is why they have to use syncretism. Then tho they deny it like they do their theology, they have offshoots and cults, and rogue societies, and the same god as the muslims, and God knows what, but it’s “all one church”. That never changes.

2,931 posted on 09/09/2010 2:05:54 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)

To: metmom; Quix

Thank you for responding...I have only recently looked somewhat at this idea....which is why I use the word possible. It's a possibility because there is a huge push in the New Age Spirituality movement centered now on UFO'S scooping up the people and that it is Gods plan for them and the planet overall.....and it is very wide spread.

I realize how easy it is to think people who believe in that stuff are off their rockers...because well, many are, but on careful examination you will find they genuinely believe this and have been fully persuaded by very cunning and smart instructors...from Dr.s to and highly educated people...who are falling for this. I was stunned when I looked into who is involved...... The problem comes from the cook fringe integrating into those who are seeking evidence and serious research about this....it is difficult sifting out the nonsense when you look into it. But I understand those, like Quix, equally get frustrated with the dingbats.

2,932 posted on 09/09/2010 2:06:43 PM PDT by caww

To: Natural Law; Iscool

The miracle of transubstantiation takes place on a daily basis and billions have witnessed it.

Besides, since Catholics never drank of the cup, there's no way for anyone to be able to attest that the wine was changed to blood.

Why doesn't the Catholic church serve BOTH elements of communion to its adherents as Christ did with His disciples and commanded us to take both the bread and the cup?

Why the disobedience to the command of Jesus Himself?

2,933 posted on 09/09/2010 2:06:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)

To: Cronos; Religion Moderator

I object to name calling

2,934 posted on 09/09/2010 2:08:26 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)

To: caww; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Quix; Iscool

And, The Athanasian Creed (Quicumque vult) is a Christian statement of belief DATING FROM THE 5th/6th CENTURY AD, focusing on Trinitarian doctrine and Christology. The Latin name of the creed, Quicumque vult, is taken from the opening words "Whosoever wishes." The Athanasian Creed has been used by Christian churches since the sixth century AD. It is the first creed in which the equality of the three persons of the Trinity is explicitly stated, and differs from the Nicene-Constantinopolitan and Apostles' Creeds in the inclusion of anathemas, or condemnations of those who disagree with the Creed

Athanasian Creed

Whoever wants to be saved should above all cling to the catholic faith.

Whoever does not guard it whole and inviolable will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith: We worship one God in trinity and the Trinity in unity, neither confusing the persons nor dividing the divine being.

For the Father is one person, the Son is another, and the Spirit is still another.

But the deity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, coeternal in majesty.

What the Father is, the Son is, and so is the Holy Spirit.

Uncreated is the Father; uncreated is the Son; uncreated is the Spirit.

The Father is infinite; the Son is infinite; the Holy Spirit is infinite.

Eternal is the Father; eternal is the Son; eternal is the Spirit: And yet there are not three eternal beings, but one who is eternal; as there are not three uncreated and unlimited beings, but one who is uncreated and unlimited.

Almighty is the Father; almighty is the Son; almighty is the Spirit: And yet there are not three almighty beings, but one who is almighty.

Thus the Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God: And yet there are not three gods, but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord; the Son is Lord; the Holy Spirit is Lord: And yet there are not three lords, but one Lord.

As Christian truth compels us to acknowledge each distinct person as God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten; the Son was neither made nor created, but was alone begotten of the Father; the Spirit was neither made nor created, but is proceeding from the Father and the Son.

Thus there is one Father, not three fathers; one Son, not three sons; one Holy Spirit, not three spirits.

And in this Trinity, no one is before or after, greater or less than the other; but all three persons are in themselves, coeternal and coequal; and so we must worship the Trinity in unity and the one God in three persons.

Whoever wants to be saved should think thus about the Trinity.

It is necessary for eternal salvation that one also faithfully believe that our Lord Jesus Christ became flesh.

For this is the true faith that we believe and confess: That our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son, is both God and man.

He is God, begotten before all worlds from the being of the Father, and he is man, born in the world from the being of his mother -- existing fully as God, and fully as man with a rational soul and a human body; equal to the Father in divinity, subordinate to the Father in humanity.

Although he is God and man, he is not divided, but is one Christ.

He is united because God has taken humanity into himself; he does not transform deity into humanity.

He is completely one in the unity of his person, without confusing his natures.

For as the rational soul and body are one person, so the one Christ is God and man.

He suffered death for our salvation. He descended into hell and rose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

At his coming all people shall rise bodily to give an account of their own deeds.

Those who have done good will enter eternal life, those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith.

One cannot be saved without believing this firmly and faithfully.

For your purpose, 1000 s -->NOTE clearly, this is a definition of the Trinity - a Triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as defined by The Church and to which doctrine the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church has held true while all the heresies that deny this have died away as will yours.

2,935 posted on 09/09/2010 2:09:39 PM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)

To: nanetteclaret; Quix

“That’s right, Quix is the “Christian” who “believes in aliens from outer space.””

Wrong.

Quix believes in demons who pretend to be aliens from outer space.

Now that that’s clear.....

2,936 posted on 09/09/2010 2:09:50 PM PDT by OpusatFR

“Why doesn’t the Catholic church serve BOTH elements of communion to its adherents as Christ did with His disciples and commanded us to take both the bread and the cup?”

That’s quite a question. Why do you think this is so?

2,938 posted on 09/09/2010 2:12:38 PM PDT by OpusatFR

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

I didn't say there was no merit for picking Sunday as the day to attend church...It is not however the Lord's Day as spoken of in scripture...It is man's day to attend church and worship God...

The Lord's Day is used once in scripture...And it is clearly a reference to the Day of the Lord which there are many references...And none of them is on a Sunday...

The bible will clear up all of your heresies...

2,939 posted on 09/09/2010 2:12:48 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)

When Jesus takes His church out of the world, the world is going to be scrambling for an answer. Since the restraining work of the Holy Spirit will be removed, evil will have its day and people will be wide open for deception.

Considering all the focus from *scientific* types on space and the search for extraterrestrials and the seriousness with which they treat the subject, and the conditioning people have received to elevate those labeled as *scientists*, they will be ripe for falling for it.

While the Left Behind books could have been written better by a long shot, and they don’t claim to be prophetic but openly acknowledge it as a work of fiction, I think that many of the scenarios they present are feasible.

It at least gives one food for thought.

2,940 posted on 09/09/2010 2:14:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)

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