Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[D-fendr]

What the Church teaches about veneration and worship and The Holy Trinity is very clear.

[caww]

No.. it was not about the Passion.....it was talking about how he grew up.....”He grew up before Him like a tender shoot and like a root out of a dry ground, (which is not attractive), He had no beauty or majesty to attract us.” Is53:2

The Hebrew word “beauty” is translated “fine-looking” and also used of David in ISa 16:18.

Nothing in His appearance that we should desire Him.. and is well accepted that Christ’s apperance would not be found attractive....all through the new testament we see people attracted by the ‘words’ He spoke.....nothing about how he looked....because God knows the heart of mman that they indeed make judgements by appearances...it is not surprising Jesus would not be attractive in the physical sense. It would have distracted from His message...

[wmfights]

What if their theology says you are violating the commandments by celebrating the Lord’s Day on Sunday?

From what I've read Christians during the Apostolic Era and immediately following it held services on both Saturday and Sunday. I believe the controversy kicks in with a pagan emperor setting a specific date.

[D-fendr]

I know you're not aware of it, but New Advent/Catholic Encyclopedia is not to be considered an official or entirely accurate source of Catholic teaching. The sloppy and contradictory wording in your cite is but one example why.

I sometimes use it for the references it provides and then go to them, but it's very verbose and does not take much care in accuracy of doctrine. For key terms and doctrine where you might find reason for debate, I go to the Catechism to be certain of accuracy.

[Jaded]

ditto

[Quix]

BOTH TEACHINGS AND PRACTICES, BEHAVIORS

DIFFER

WITHIN THE SYSTEM

AND CERTAINLY WITH SCRIPTURE.

EVEN IF THEY HAD A Catechism 100,000 pages thick and Encyclicals stacked to the moon SUCH COULDN’T undo what Proddys see with our own eyes in the lives of RC’s in our faces.

. . . as well as hereon . . .

[OLD REGGIE]

Oh, good grief. It’s both/and, not either/or.

If you say so. :-)

[wmfights]

It sure doesn't look like many Protestant churches I've been in.

I wouldn't be surprised especially if it's in Europe. If size and ornateness conferred status and quality it wouldn't be surprising to see competing cathedrals. I'm curious why we are so easily caught up in believing this reflects the quality of our worship and beliefs.

[D-fendr]

would there be so much controversy about this if it hadn't been changed by a pagan emperor

I'm confused. Are you saying you agree with Roamer_1 that the Lord's Day on Sunday is a violation of God's commandments?

[presently no screen name]

That was speaking of His Passion. Of course, a person who was beaten to a pulp and was crowned with thorns is not going to look attractive.

WRONG! First of all, you didn't even know that Scripture existed and now you pass it off as after the torture. After the torture, Jesus was UNRECOGNIZABLE.

[caww]

Thank you for the link of which I will study later Old Reggie.....but I am interested in the degree of international influence the Roman Catholic Church does have...we know it has tentacles... but to where and what end they have determined I am interested in...though much has been behind the scenes, with computers etc. it has become far more difficult for these things to remain in seclusion.

[D-fendr]

Why does grandiose, beautiful, architecture have anything to do with real worship?

Should the place of worship where Jesus is present be kept un-beautiful? What does the phrase: Goodness, Truth and Beauty mean to you. Do you believe our worship of God should be about goodness and truth but not beauty?

[Running On Empty]

You beat me to it :-)

Thanks, anyway :-)

In my Biblical studies, this passage from Scripture was the “NT concealed in the OT” and was pointing to the future Passion of Our Lord.

Behold the Man.

[bronx2]

It would be well advised to abandoned prideful sinful posts and accept Jesus as your Savior and Redeemer. It appears the lure of the sin of presumption and pride have clouded perceptions concerning of the words of Jesus

The scales should fall from the eyes as they did for Paul that one might see the Truth which is Jesus and refrain from blasphemy.

God bless.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

It’s like asking “why should we sing? Can’t God understand us talking? Why try to make our voices pretty?”

[wmfights]

I think one of the things I find oddest about many Protestants on FR is that they seem to think that their beliefs are held by most other Protestants and this is absolutely not true.

Got to take off those Rose colored glasses.

It's been said numerous times over the years, but I'll say it again. The unity among Evangelicals is our belief in The Gospel. After that we may have a lot of different opinions, but we stand united in our belief in The Gospel and because of it we are the Body of Christ.

[metmom]

Romans 14

(The Weak and the Strong)

1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

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If one makes salvation conditional on the day one worships, that’s an issue. Otherwise, it shouldn’t matter.

[metmom]

Should the place of worship where Jesus is present be kept un-beautiful? What does the phrase: Goodness, Truth and Beauty mean to you. Do you believe our worship of God should be about goodness and truth but not beauty?

The place should be kept neat, clean, and in good repair. Beauty is secondary. It's just outward appearances.

Sometimes less is more.

[presently no screen name]

New Advent/Catholic Encyclopedia is not to be considered an official or entirely accurate source of Catholic teaching.......I sometimes use it for the references it provides and then go to them, but it's very verbose and does not take much care in accuracy of doctrine. For key terms and doctrine where you might find reason for debate,

This encyclopedia isn't good for this - so I go here and then I go there. That's man for you, always changing and adds confusion.

God's WORD ALWAYS WAS and ALWAYS WILL BE THE SAME! And that is what HIS CHURCH is built on.

[wmfights]

those Baptists, no taste whatsoever. Wasn’t Spurgeon’s great cathedral in the ghastly part of London back in the day?

Yes Sir!

You know we have missionaries who post here that are planting churches all over the world and a lot of these are run down store fronts, but The Gospel is preached and people are being saved. It's just curious that because there is a huge ornate structure people start to assume that it contains authority and truth and that isn't necessarily so.