Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Thanks for proving the validity of maryz's posts and the invalidity of your comments and claims.
In reality, "We" means "we": referring to the speaker and other people considered together. and "I DON’T EVEN KNOW EXACTLY AND PRECISELY WHO I SPECIFICALLY SPEAK FOR WHEN I USE THAT PHRASE" means you don't know what or who you mean when you use the phrase "we proddys."
Thus, in reality your use of such phrases is devoid of content or meaning.
I think I’ve had enough following your train of non-meaning for tonight.
I look forward to your comments on Roamer_1’s charge that you don’t keep God’s commandment by keeping the Lord’s Day - assuming you do. And, whether you still wish to include him in “we proddy” as you seemed to in your post to him, though you don’t know what you mean when you say...
yada, yada, yada...
ENJOY YOUR FANTASIES.
Interesting —> do you, Quix, consider Old Reggie, or any other Unitarian, a “Proddy”?
“Not where we Proddys are coming from at all.
“ —> and yet, many Protestants DO believe in that philosophy. Yet you seem to sy you speak for all “Proddys” —> unless by “Proddy” you do not mean “Protestant”, do you?
Roamer_1 said said in #2092Look up the Sabbath Day,then d-fendr in 2102Sunday isn't just for Catholics.to which you replied in 2106Nothing in the Bible changes the Sabbath Daywhich is wrong -- as d-fendr pointed out Christian celebrate the Lord’s Day, the New Creation, on Sunday, as they have since Acts
And of coure in 2112 you insisted in typical anti-Church fashionNo, there is nothing in the Bible that changes the SabbathD-fendr in 2115 tried to repeat Christians, Protestant and Catholic, celebrate the Lord's Day on Sunday.
I don't see the Presbyterians claiming that they and muslims worship the same god.
Then why do we see them saying that the Protestants didn’t go far enough? Was it not good enough being the second generation of Protestants (after Lutherans) and persecuting the third generation (Anabaptists) and fourth (Unitarians)?
Look up the Sabbath Day, and the bit about graven images... and that’s just in the “Big 10.”
Rome does not keep the commandments of Yahweh.
I have not found not one scripture in the New Testament that says to change the day of worship/rest , not one .
I go by the testimony of your mother T...
But supposing there were other Catholics there witnessing to these destitute people while mother T comforted them...And mother T left it to them to spread the word of Jesus...Which of course mother T never mentioned so it's pretty unlikely...
But no matter...Those poor folks were condemned anyway...They would have been splashed with some water and falsely told they were now Christians...
"To his own master he stands or falls, and he will stand for the Lord is able to make him stand,..... One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike...... Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."......... "so whatever you believe about these things keep between your self and God, blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves"....(Rom 14:4,5,22)
Fellowship among Christians is not based on every ones agreement on disputable questions. Christians do not have to agree on all matters pertaining to Christian life, nor do they need to. God is master and to Him alone all believers are responsible...... All days are to be dedicated to God. The important thing is ones relationship to the Lord. (exerts NIV.)
You are completely wrong, of course...There are plenty of things not in the scriptures that we embrace...
But when it comes to following a religion that is condemned by scripture, and has traditions that contradict scripture as does your religion, I'd not only kill my dog before I accepted it, I'd serve him up as a canine casserole...
Of course not...I would hope catholic christians keep going to church to hear the message Christ has for them and to worship and lift His name high above all others, for surely He is deserving of such.
" those who object to Catholics' veneration of Mary see it that way because their own worship of God -- indeed their very understanding of God -- is so stunted, so truncated, so limited"
Our objection to catholics veneration of Mary has nothing whatsoever to do with our own worship of Christ... Indeed. Rather,.. that we recognize Gods elevation of His Son above all others, including Mary, and do not place Mary as co-redeemer with Christ as catholics do, which she is not.
It certainly is evident catholics believe in the position they have elevated her to, and worship her because of that elevated position, just as these catholic articles and references on this thread attest to. I disagree with that obsession and worship of Mary, and how she is elevated above Christ and equal to Him.
Mary did not die for the sins of mankind...she was not crucified...nor was she raised from the dead in bodily form...and she certainly is not the hand that moves in our life today...Christ did and is sovereign above all in Heaven and on earth... and therefore I stand with God that it is His Son we are to worship...and Him alone.
Do the Proddys you speak for know the difference between an icon and an idol? Between worship and veneration?
What’s the difference between a bow and a little bow ?
What’s the difference between paying homage and paying a little homage.
What’s the difference between stealing a candy bar at the grocery store and stealing a truckload of candy bars .
Lev 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Cut and pasted from the Catholic Encyclopedia .
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15710a.htm
There are several degrees of this worship:
* if it is addressed directly to God, it is superior, absolute, supreme worship, or worship of adoration, or, according to the consecrated theological term, a worship of latria. This sovereign worship is due to God alone; addressed to a creature it would become idolatry.
* When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.).
* As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).
Consigning people to hell is the domain of God with the protestants acting as consultants is the implication of your aforementioned post . Where is this in the bible? Oh wait, you can provide a verse out of context and provide a private interpretation to validate you contention.
You should indicate all you think are saved and those who who damned. Remember the door is narrow. A self examination of conscience apparently doesn't work so why not try public confession.
God bless.
That's pretty un-Catholic of you...Oh, unless you are of the clergy upper class...I understand the Catholic clergy can be led by the Holy Spirit...
The problem as I see it is, if you were being led by the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't be Catholic...But I'd be curious as to what exactly it was that the Holy Spirit revealed to you...
Great going! It isn't God who directed this level to go down to Scientology and Mormonism.
WHy do you think your list of heretics, that DENY Sola Scriptura should be connected with Those who believe in the bible alone?
I would think that there is a closer connection with Rome in that they all require some form of "Tradition" to interpret the scripture.
I chuckled a bit after seeing the assertion that these 3 were supposedly connected.
Mormons: Founder Joe Smith a treasure seeker in PA found huge glasses that could read his tablets, written in reformed hierogliphics, offcourse upon examination in court, experts testify that "scribbles" were not a language and there is no such thing as reformed egyptian. Believes in polytheism.
Scientology: Basically the comic book stories of Elron Hubard sold as reality. Not sure he even believes in a deity.
Jehovah's witnesses. Arianism with a make over, brought to us by Charles taze Russel who used to sell "miracle wheat" to his dupes.
God bless.
"Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of which is falsely called knowlege, which some have professed and in doing so have wandered from the faith" (ITim 6:20,21)
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