Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I don't claim it. The Bible does.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
(e-Sword: KJV)
So, in your view: are the Protestants following the Church in this [...]
I have often said that Protestants did not protest enough.
[...] or are they guilty of their own grievous scriptural error?
Of course it is grievous error - It comes from Rome :D
I am going to sleep. I will catch your reply in the morning. Good night.
"We do not, however, hold the Bible-or any other account of human experience-to be either an infallible guide or the exclusive source of truth. Much biblical material is mythical or legendary. Not that it should be discarded for that reason! Rather, it should be treasured for what it is. We believe that we should read the Bible as we read other books (or the newspaper) - with imagination and a critical eye."or perhaps this
An example of the pent-e-costal neo-Montanism is William Branham the Father of Neo-MontanismEven though William Branham denied the Trinity and taught it was a demonic doctrine believed only by those of the whore Babylon false church - he was still revered as a true prophet by almost every major Pentecostal and Charismatic ministry (who are Trinitarian). Even though he believed in numerology and taught that God had made the Great Pyramid - he is still accepted as a true prophet. Even though many of his prophecies regarding future events did not come to pass - he is still regarded as a true prophet. Even though the majority of his teachings are totally in error and diametrically opposed to the plain teaching of Scripture, he is still held up as God's true prophet.William Branham's heretical theology:
- God's Word consists of the zodiac, Egyptian pyramids and scripture.
- Doctrine of trinity is considered demonic
- The claim that he was Elijah the prophet
- Millennium to begin in 1977.
- That he was the seventh angelic messenger to the Laodicean Church Age (Footprints, pg. 620).(Using the dispenational theory that each of the churches in Revelations represents an age of the church, the current one being the Laodicean Church Age).
- That anyone belonging to any denomination had taken "the mark of the beast" (Footprints, pp. 627, 629, 643, 648).
- That he received divinely inspired revelations (The Revelation of the Seven Seals, Branham; Spoken Word Publications, Tucson, Ariz., n.d.; pg.19; Questions and Answers, Book 1, Branham; Spoken Word Publications, Tucson, 1964; pg. 60.)
- The fall of man happened when Eve had sexual relations with Satan, that his sexual union produced Cain.(Branham said that "every sin that ever was on the Earth was caused by a woman....the very lowest creature on the Earth" The Spoken Word, Vol. III Nos. 12, 13, 14;, Branham; Spoken Word Publications, Jeffersonville, Ind. 1976; pp. 81-82. Quoted in The Man and His Message, pg. 41).
- Branham denied the biblical triune Godhead. He pronounced it a "gross error" (The Spoken Word, pg. 79) and as a prophet with the authority of a "Thus saith the Lord," revealed that "trinitarianism is of the devil" (Footprints, pg. 606).
- Unsaved descended from the serpent.
The tone of that post struck me as much more congruent with Christianity and with dialogue than . . . probably all of the earlier ones I’ve read . . . though there were some paradoxical elements, as well.
I’m happy to relate meaningfully and redemptively with all who even merely claim to be ‘Brothers-in-Christ.’ I know that not every aspect of how God Himself leads me to relate to . . . anyone actually . . . will always be perceived in stereo-typic ways AS redemptive. However, I’m to please THE BOSS, not man.
In my experience, God always favors authentic humility.
Also, in my experience today, as is usual, The Lord looked with favor upon me far more than I expected or was able to own or process. THAT’s not, per se, one of my troublesome growing edges. The problem is still far too much of a compulsion to try and earn Salvation rather than accept His Grace as a little child.
Most, if not all, of the frequent RC reponders hereon seem to have relatively VERY little clue about my personality or my spirituality. It’s not a real impressive demonstration of their perceptiveness nor of their discernment.
However, The Lord Himself has brought me through enough long dark nights of the soul and fiery furnaces that I don’t carry grudges and am happy to take folks more or less fresh and vulnerably whenever they choose to lay aside prancing, prissy, brittle, haughty, exclusivist perspectives and relate heart to heart AS AUTHENTIC CHRISTIANS.
Look up the Sabbath Day,then d-fendr in 2102
Sunday isn't just for Catholics.to which you replied in 2106
Nothing in the Bible changes the Sabbath Daywhich is wrong -- as d-fendr pointed out Christian celebrate the Lord’s Day, the New Creation, on Sunday, as they have since Acts
No, there is nothing in the Bible that changes the SabbathD-fendr in 2115 tried to repeat Christians, Protestant and Catholic, celebrate the Lord's Day on Sunday. It seems to me Protestants would rather shoot their dog than follow Catholics if it "ain't in Scripture."
But you left out the best part:No, there is nothing in the Bible that changes the Sabbath. It was Rome that changed it - And she declares it as her mark of authority...
And therefore you claim those who celebrate the Lord's Day are not following the commandments of God.
So, in your view: are the Protestants following the Church in this or are they guilty of their own grievous scriptural error?
Given that, it appears quite easy and common for them to not only get all bound up in their cotton briefs but to get all bound up in their own self-incrimminating pontifications--incredibly--seemingly--without a shred of insight that they are doing so--or EVEN that they have DONE so! How many even later realize it and demonstrate some humility about it? Perhaps in raw terms of individuals and posts . . . 0.000001%???
INDEED. I’m not in the habit of hating other Christians. Even, really, OThuga and Shrillery. They are miserable, pitiful, creatures headed toward an eternity they seem totally ignorant of . . . that was made for satan and his crew—their boss.
Too true, though I’ve resisted 95% of the time seeing it that way.
We are NOT deluded REPLACEMENTARIANS.
NOPE.
DEMONSTRATED HERESY, IDOLATRY, BLASPHEMY that the Vatican clearly supports and encourages.
God Almighty, Jesus The Christ, Holy Spirit
as well as Mary, to whatever degree she is aware of such
are NOT amused.
However, we Proddys are quite accustomed to such bearing false witness on the part of many RC’s hereon.
after the first generation Lutherans and ANglicans,Great going! It isn't God who directed this level to go down to Scientology and Mormonism..
you had the second generation Presbyterians,
then the third generation Anabaptists,
the fourth generation BAptists and Unitarians,
the fifth generation Seventh Day Adventists and Mormons and Presbyterian-conservationists,
the sixth generation Christian Scientists, Pentecostals, Jehovah's Witnesses, the
seventh generation like Machen's OPC and other sub-sects of the Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists etc.,
the eigth generation like the Bible Presbyterian C and the Scientologists and more extreme Mormons.
The reference to St. Paul's teaching went right over your, didn't it.
I'm really looking forward to you catching up to the post where Roamer_1 disassociates from "we Proddys" and says you are guilty of grievous error - following "Rome."
NOPE. NOT a microgram’s worth.
Evidently the Scriptures about
GOD’S EVERLASTING PROMISES to the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob being operant and in force
AS LONG AS THE MOON, SUN AND STARS EXIST
is disbelieved by folks deluded by the REPLACEMENTARIAN PERSPECTIVE.
I no longer have much time nor patience with folks walking in delusions otherwise.
You mean something like the obsession that keeps the anti-Catholics always at the Catholic Church, uwilling to come in and unable to leave it alone? Lots of obsession going around, I guess -- must be something in the water! ;-)
It does seem to me, though, that those who object to Catholics' veneration of Mary see it that way because their own worship of God -- indeed their very understanding of God -- is so stunted, so truncated, so limited that it's no greater than (if as great as) our veneration of Mary. They have no conception of the immeasurably greater worship we offer God.
It seems to be tied in (as with so many things in dispute) with their understanding of Eternity as merely time, only longer. Their God (like the pagan gods) is entirely within Time because they can conceive of nothing outside of time, though this conception makes Time greater than God -- in effect, the real God.
In our view, time itself is a creature. (As I understand it, in the physicists' view, time is merely the fourth dimension. Thus it is as meaningless to place the Eternal God wholly within time as it would be to limit Him to height and width and depth.)
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