Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[metmom]

It wasn’t just me who was *poorly catechized* because there are scads of Catholics in the area in which I grew up who believed the same things.

And there are plenty of ex-Catholic FReepers who, unless they grew up in the same area I did, strangely believe the same what FRoman Catholics call errors.

You’d reasonably expect that if it were a result of being poorly catechized, that different areas and parishes would have different errors taught, but across the board, there are the same beliefs which all former Catholics recognize as being taught by the Roman Catholic church that FRoman Catholics say are not Catholic doctrine.

It’s the same beliefs that you guys call error. There’s too much similarity to be coincidental.

[Cronos]

Can you tell us more, please? Calvinism is the reason why Switzerland (or at least the once Protestant part) is so athiest today

[1000 silverlings]

lol

[metmom]

We could read it the first time. Just how many times do you feel it necessary to repost the thing in its entirety?

You can’t just provide a link to the first time you posted it?

[Cronos]

Iscool :Ronnie Reagan has seen a UFO Dear Ronnie died a few years ago, btw

All of the astronauts have seen ufos Wow --> so do you have a direct quote from "all of the astronauts"

[Iscool]

Good stuff. When you empty your heart of hatred and learn the Law of Love you will embrace this book.

HaHaHa...A Spirit filled Christian won't embrace that book, ever...

[1000 silverlings]

They can’t comprehend that we’d die first

[Cronos]

You COULD read them as you say, but then you wouldn't then say as did Doc Eck (post #1773) Protestants argue with their enemies and try to persuade them by the weight of the Scriptures this when we see that

• Men and women were burnt to death for witchcraft. (See Pike, pp. 55,56).

From Other Sources:

• Belot, an Anabaptist was arrested for passing out tracts in Geneva and also accusing Calvin of excessive use of wine. With his books and tracts burned, he was banished from the city and told not to return on pain of hanging (J.L. Adams, The Radical Reformation, pp. 597-598).

• Martin Luther said of Calvin's actions in Geneva, "With a death sentence they solve all argumentation" (Juergan L. Neve, A History of Christian Thought, vol. I, p. 285).

• "About the month of January 1546, a member of the Little Council, Pierre Ameaux, asserted that Calvin was nothing but a wicked man - who was preaching false doctrine. Calvin felt that his authority as an interpreter of the Word of God was being attacked: he so completely identified his own ministry with the will of God that he considered Ameaux's words as an insult to the honour of Christ. The Magistrates offered to make the culprit beg Calvin's pardon on bended knees before the Council of the Two Hundred, but Calvin found this insufficient. On April 8, Ameaux was sentenced to walk all round the town, dressed only in a shirt, bareheaded and carrying a lighted torch in his hand, and after that to present himself before the tribunal and cry to God for mercy" (F. Wendel, Calvin, pp. 85, 86).
• "The death penalty against heresy, idolatry and blasphemy and barbarous customs of torture were retained. Attendance at public worship was commanded on penalty of three sols. Watchmen were appointed to see that people went to church. The members of the Consistory visited every house once a year to examine the faith and morals of the family. Every unseemly word and act on the street was reported, and the offenders were cited before the Consistory to be either censured and warned, or to be handed over to the Council for severer punishment."

• Several women, among them the wife of Ami Perrin, the captain-general, were imprisoned for dancing.

• A man who publicly protested against the reformer's doctrine of predestination was flogged at all the crossways of the city and then expelled.

• A book printer who in his cups [columns] had railed at Calvin, was sentenced to have his tongue perforated with a red-hot iron before being expelled from the city.

"Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?" James 3:11.

[Cronos]

well, a HOLY spirit filled person would — someone filled with non-Holy Spirits on the other hand....

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Prove that’s a “conservative Presbyterian website” and explain what is being argued or we’ll have to conclude nothing is as you say...again.

[Natural Law]

"And they still died, and went to Hell...Without hope, without God..."

You don't know that to be true. Your brand of Christianity is full of hell, damnation, fire and brimstone. Salvation is to be pursued severely as a means to avoid punishment. Catholicism is full of love and Beatitude as Christ instructed.

Those ministered to by Mother Teresa did not have to profess their faith to you, me, or even her. They only need confess that they felt and returned the love when they stand before their maker.

Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him. Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. The Church teaches:

It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man.

The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders.

[maryz]

I went to grammar school with Catholic kids who apparently preferred their own interpretation (or errors passed down from their parents) to what we learned in school. Nevertheless, I think you're overstating it; people remember bits and fragments and extrapolate (forgetting the other "bits and fragments").

Then, of course, some things can't really be explained adequately at a grammar-school level -- you get kind of an outline of the basics. And that was true even when I was in grammar school, with the old Baltimore Catechisms.

[Natural Law]

"...Was approved by a Cardinal..."

No, the Cardinal approved the censor, not every decision the censor made. That is why infallibility is only reserved to the Pontiff under very specific conditions.

[1000 silverlings]

We preach the Word of God directly to little school kids who have no problem understanding it, and also directly to the mentally challenged (Down’s Syndrome for instance). Maybe you should try that instead of all your catechisms

[1000 silverlings]

Blah blah blah. Scratch any of us and our ancestors were killed by another group of ancestors over something. The english killed the french,the french the english, both shot the Indians, Catholics set the Jews on fire, in the American civil war, the north killed the south and vice versa. And that’s just my family. Get over it

[maryz]

Hmmm. That explains a lot . . . ;-)

[metmom]

He alone was the redeemer in the ultimate sense, but they cooperated with Him in His work of redemption.

We all co-operate with Him in His work of redemption when we do good works that glorify Him and bring others to Him.

Being Jesus parents was a unique and special role in many ways, but Mary and Joseph were just human beings like any of us and there are likely plenty of people who could have filled those roles had they the right lineage and been born at the right time.

There's nothing about them fulfilling those roles that makes them deserving of the adoration and elevation that the RCC foists on them.

They did what they were called to do in obedience just as we do what we are called to do in obedience. It's not what we do that's significant, but our obedience in doing what God has for each and every one of us. They deserve no more credit for doing what they were called to do than we do for doing what we are called to do.

[metmom]

Basing it all on hearsay.

Nice.....

[Legatus]

I've been tempted to bring up de Montfort's "True Devotion" several times but I've never quite had the stomach to deal with the firestorm that would result. I've actually got a copy but I don't think I've even ever read it all the way through. As I've indicated my spirituality simply isn't all that Marian. We've got charismatics in the Church too and that certainly isn't my spirituality.

Don't get me wrong, I pray the rosary, sing the Hail Holy Queen, go to Mass for the Marian feasts, and believe every doctrine on the Mother of God that the Church proposes for belief.

Along with St. Louis de Montfort I can say: With the whole Church I acknowledge that Mary, being a mere creature fashioned by the hands of God is, compared to his infinite majesty, less than an atom, or rather is simply nothing, since he alone can say, "I am he who is". Consequently, this great Lord, who is ever independent and self-sufficient, never had and does not now have any absolute need of the Blessed Virgin for the accomplishment of his will and the manifestation of his glory. To do all things he has only to will them.

As long as everything regarding Mary is rooted in that then I'm not going to get a case of the vapors. When it starts getting weird I go sing the Te Deum.

[metmom]

Ha ha — Iscool and RnMomof9 are hardly ex-Catholic, any more than you are the queen of Zululand.

They can tell us. Unless you go by the belief that there's no such thing as an ex-Catholic.

BTW, You um... forgot the courtesy ping.