Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Natural Law]

"I’ve taught and I’ve found that students can be remarkably resistent..."

Failed Catholics are among the most severe and blatantly wrong critics of Catholicism because they presume a knowledge and understanding of the Church that they clearly and demonstrably do not possess.

[Cronos]

Doc Eck: Rome doesn’t believe .... {some nonsense}

Dogmatic constitution on the Church Point 62 reads

This maternity of Mary in the order of grace began with the consent which she gave in faith at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, and lasts until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.(15*) By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and cultics, until they are led into the happiness of their true home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix.(16*) This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator.

Nice try -- you quoted the Dogmatic constitution on the CHurch which says so clearly "This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator. "

of course you need to actually READ in context, not in excerpts. OrthoPresbyC cultists do the same thing with their bible (which is just 14 pages of excerpts) and try to do the same thing to every other text.

To simplify it for you - "manifold intercessions" means "many prayers" TO GOD

and "brings us" does not mean "originates" or "creates" but means carries or bears

It would be good for you to leave the heretical, non-Christian OPC.

[Natural Law]

"•A person named Chapuis was imprisoned for four days because he persisted in calling his child Claude (a Roman Catholic saint) instead of Abraham."

I worked with a Swiss man named Alain Chapuis. Much of what I learned of the real history of Calvinism I learned from him. He and his family hold a deep resentment and hatred for all things Calvin.

[Cronos]

Incidently, Dogmatic constitution on the CHurch:

No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.

Point 56 reads

56. The Father of mercies willed that the incarnation should be preceded by the acceptance of her who was predestined to be the mother of His Son, so that just as a woman contributed to death, so also a woman should contribute to life. That is true in outstanding fashion of the mother of Jesus, who gave to the world Him who is Life itself and who renews all things, and who was enriched by God with the gifts which befit such a role. It is no wonder therefore that the usage prevailed among the Fathers whereby they called the mother of God entirely holy and free from all stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature.(5*) Adorned from the first instant of her conception with the radiance of an entirely unique holiness, the Virgin of Nazareth is greeted, on God's command, by an angel messenger as "full of grace",(286) and to the heavenly messenger she replies: "Behold the handmaid of the Lord, be it done unto me according to thy word".(287) Thus Mary, a daughter of Adam, consenting to the divine Word, became the mother of Jesus, the one and only Mediator. Embracing God's salvific will with a full heart and impeded by no sin, she devoted herself totally as a handmaid of the Lord to the person and work of her Son, under Him and with Him, by the grace of almighty God, serving the mystery of redemption. Rightly therefore the holy Fathers see her as used by God not merely in a passive way, but as freely cooperating in the work of human salvation through faith and obedience. For, as St. Irenaeus says, she "being obedient, became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race."(6*) Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert in their preaching, "The knot of Eve's disobedience was untied by Mary's obedience; what the virgin Eve bound through her unbelief, the Virgin Mary loosened by her faith."(7*) Comparing Mary with Eve, they call her "the Mother of the living,"(8*) and still more often they say: "death through Eve, life through Mary."(9*)

Point 57 reads

This union of the Mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to His death it is shown first of all when Mary, arising in haste to go to visit Elizabeth, is greeted by her as blessed because of her belief in the promise of salvation and the precursor leaped with joy in the womb of his mother.(288) This union is manifest also at the birth of Our Lord, who did not diminish His mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it,(10*) when the Mother of God joyfully showed her firstborn Son to the shepherds and Magi. When she presented Him to the Lord in the temple, making the offering of the poor, she heard Simeon foretelling at the same time that her Son would be a sign of contradiction and that a sword would pierce the mother's soul, that out of many hearts thoughts might be revealed.(289) When the Child Jesus was lost and they had sought Him sorrowing, His parents found Him in the temple, taken up with the things that were His Father's business; and they did not understand the word of their Son. His Mother indeed kept these things to be pondered over in her heart.(290)

of course you need to actually read in context, not in excerpts. OPC cultists do the same thing with their bible (which is just 14 pages of excerpts) and try to do the same thing to every other text

Thanks for referring this text which CLEARLY SAYS " This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator. "

Evidently your pastors lied to you as The Church believes the sacrifice of Christ was sufficient for the salvation of our sins.

Also, The Church has only One God - I don't know if the OPC has something else, but The Church doesn't. Flee from the OPC, lest you become like it (as the conservative Presbyterian website calls it a nest of heresy).

God willing, it's not too late to leave the heretical OPC

[Cronos]

It would help if you actually read the post. For your edification I've put the font to RED for you to see

It will help if you understand what the Church means by such doctrines and what it does not mean.

First, the Church recognizes that Jesus in the ultimate sense is our only redeemer—plain and simple.

Only God could make up for an offense against His divinity.

When Jesus, the second Person of the Blessed Trinity, became man, He used the services of several human beings. He used St. Joseph as his foster father to protect Him and to be a father to Him in His formative years.

Most of all, He used Mary as His mother who gave birth to Him, nursed Him, and nurtured Him as a child.

All of these people cooperated with Him and His mission of salvation.

He alone was the redeemer in the ultimate sense, but they cooperated with Him in His work of redemption.

In varying degrees they all could be called co-redeemers in the sense of co-operating not as Redeemers in any sense of the term, because of such cooperation. But because of her unique role and the degree of her cooperation, Mary is singled out. In all of humanity, God singled her out for a truly sublime role. Nursing Almighty God at her breast is beyond our ability to fully appreciate. Yet thousands of Christians since the Protestant reformation have completely ignored such sublimity.

God is the one who singled Mary out for the unique role in salvation that she has. She did not seek out such distinction. It is important to remember the high praise Jesus lavished on St. John the Baptist. Yet his mission was not nearly as exalted as Mary’s. Jesus worked his first miracle at her request. All she needed to say was: "They have no wine." He understood exactly what she wanted. He could have taken care of the matter on his own. But he chose to have his mother’s intercession be a part of the mix. The miracle wasn’t any less significant because of her part in it. On the contrary, she shows us how accessible he is to our needs. To truly appreciate Mary is to appreciate her Son all the more


Do not read in excerpts -- whether the Bible or any other texts. That leads to errors like yours where you did not see the texts about John the Baptist or +Joseph and which is similar to non-Church errors in sola scriptura, sola interpretura, sola solo

[Iscool]

When someone tells me flying saucers and space aliens are real am I wrong to presume that they are full of bull feathers on other matters as well? The burden to reestablish your credibility is your.

Ronnie Reagan has seen a UFO...All of the astronauts have seen ufos...But you haven't so you don't believe it??? Ever seen the Taj Mahal??? That's probably not real either...Ever seen Old Faithful at Yellowstone Park??? That doesn't exist either...In fact, Yellowstone may not exist, if you've never seen it...

If a priest or bishop claims to have seen a ufo, is he a crackpot also???

[Cronos]

Because Mary Mags and the Apostles did not bear Christ, our Lord and God for 9 months...

God willed that this work of salvation (The death of Jesus Christ is sufficient for the salvation of our sins. This is Church teaching) be accomplished through the collaboration of a woman, while respecting her free will (Gal. 4:4) But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law


All God's creatures -- Mary included, need to accept Christ/God. This us co-operating (in the sense of only saying "yes") with God's plan and His work and His grace in our salvation. We do NOTHING to save oursevels except to accept HIM. Mary accepted Him.

4. 1 Peter 2:5 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. and Phil 3:10 10I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,

5. We are to proclaim Christ crucified. We are to spread the gospel and share the saving work of Christ with the world. We are called to prayer, holiness, and evangelism. We hence co-operate or rather are tools in God's plan of salvation.

6. Just as Moses and Abraham interceded with God, we too intercede with God for others.

7. These and the evangelists spread the Word of God to the Word and we as minor evangelisers TOO must spread the Word of God

8. Mary BORE the Word of God, she was a tool, an evangelizer in bringing the Word of God to the World

9. Just as our co-operation as tools is just an addition to Christ's death that saves the world, so too is Mary's role as a tool, a co-operator (in the sense that she bore Christ, our God and our Lord)with God.

10. Col 1:24 24Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church. is St. Paul implying that Christ’s death on the cross was inadequate? Not at all. Instead, he is teaching that the all-sufficient sacrifice has to be completed by being preached, accepted, and embraced by our cooperation and that our suffering plays a mysterious part in this action. In that way the Redemption of Christ is applied and brought alive in the present moment by our own cooperation in that one, full, final sacrifice. No one says we are equal to Christ; instead, by grace, our cooperation becomes a part of Christ’s all sufficient sacrifice.

11. Mary too co-operated, yet as Simeon said in Luke 2:35 35so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too."

12. Acts 1:14 14They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

15. Mary was not discarded by God once her purpose was completed. Instead, God installs her into an eternal relationship with God as a tool for God's plan for salvation of the world.

16. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home

[Cronos]

You mean this one?

Honour, glory, and riches will be the reward of your pains. Above all do not fail to rid the country of all those zealous scoundrels that stir up the people to make head against us. Such monsters should be smothered, as I have done here by Michel Servetus the Spaniard.
--John Calvin (Letter to the Marquis du Poet, Grand Chamberlain of the Queen of Navarre, 30 September 1561) )

or this one?

Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death will knowingly and willingly incur their very guilt. This is not laid down on human authority; it is God who speaks and prescribes a perpetual rule for his Church. . . . Many people have accused me of such ferocious cruelty that I would like to kill again the man that I have destroyed. Not only am I indifferent to their comments, but I rejoice in the fact that they spit in my face.
-- John Calvin (Defense of Orthodox Faith against the Prodigious Errors of the Spaniard Michael Servetus, written in 1554; in Philip Schaff, History of the Reformation, [New York, 1892], vol. 2, p. 791; cited in Stanford Rives, Did Calvin Murder Servetus?, Infinity, 2008, pp. 348-349)

And to that you just say "Yes, the rhetoric was pretty ferocious 500 years ago"....

Calvinists killed a lot of folks TOO. Don't play victim when your theological ancestors did a lot of killing TOO.

[Cronos]

Do you mean to deny this conservative Presbyterian site

Says that

Thus, the Report continues the conspiracy of silence that has prevailed in the OPC for three decades. It leaves the erroneous impression that the serious doctrinal problems are outside the denomination, not within it. The Report gives false comfort to those who think the OPC is still a bastion of Biblical orthodoxy. On the contrary, the Report, and the 2006 General Assembly’s commendation of it, both maintain the OPC as a safe haven for those who teach error

.....

Men within the OPC, including at least one member of the Committee itself, teach heresy regarding the Gospel and many other fundamentals of the faith.

it also says that "Last year The Trinity Foundation published Paul Elliott’s book, Christianity and Neo-Liberalism: The Spiritual Crisis in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and Beyond. That book examines in detail the false doctrine of salvation now being taught in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church

[Cronos]

What is a Unitarian?

Today, most Unitarian Universalists do not consider themselves Christians, even if they share some beliefs quite similar to those of mainstream Christians. Universalists believe in a loving God.

To a fundamental Christian, a Unitarian is a heretic who has rejected Jesus as the only "way, the truth and the light". A Unitarian on one hand says that Jesus is the greatest teacher. But Unitarians are blinded to His teachings. Jesus said "I and the Father are One". And, Jesus also taught John 14:6 Jesus said, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life.

To a Christian, a Unitarian seems like someone who can never make up their mind about anything. One of their claims is that they are Unitarians so not to be led into errors by the "teachings of men". But, in remaining outside Christianity, and truly grasping the teachings of Jesus, they fall into the same trap they propose to be hiding from --being misled by men who teach them false doctrines. The Unitarians reject the doctrine of eternal damnation, the Trinity (triune God), and the divinity of Jesus. Universalism is the theological doctrine that all souls will ultimately be saved and that there are no torments of hell.

Unitarian emphasis on the exercise of human reason caused Unitarians to cease to regard the Bible as the ultimate authority in matters of faith. In the 19th century the Universalist church was the first to ordain women. The American Unitarian Association was organized in Boston in May of 1825 and met annually in Boston until the merger with the Universalist Church of America in 1961.

They reject the Biblical and historic person of Christ, do not believe that His sacrifice on the Cross had any validity, and believe that all men will see God if God can be seen (whether they like it or not). The Unitarian Universalist website states (uua.org):

"Some Unitarian Universalists are nontheists and do not find language about God useful. The faith of other Unitarian Universalists in God may be profound, though among these, too, talk of God may be restrained. Why? The word God is much abused. Far too often, the word seems to refer to a kind of granddaddy in the sky or a super magician. To avoid confusion, many Unitarian Universalists are more apt to speak of "reverence for life" (in the words of Albert Schweitzer, a Unitarian), the spirit of love or truth, the holy, or the gracious. Many also prefer such language because it is inclusive; it is used with integrity by theist and nontheist members. Whatever our theological persuasion, Unitarian Universalists generally agree that the fruits of religious belief matter more than beliefs about religion-even about God. So we usually speak more of the fruits: gratitude for blessings, worthy aspirations, the renewal of hope, and service on behalf of justice."

The Unitarian/ Universalist Association is, because of their own scant doctrinal structure, nearly impossible to offer a defense against. If you ask a UUA member what they believe in, their mere reply will be "I believe in God". The Bible has a reply for such a little belief:

James 2:19-20 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

The Bible makes it clear that scant belief in only God ("Yeah, I believe there's a god") is useless in our Father's eternal plan of redemption. The Unitarian/ Universalist Association cannot be called, even by the greatest stretch of the imagination, neither Christian nor a Church

The UUA does not believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God. The Unitarian Universalist website states (uua.org):

"We do not, however, hold the Bible-or any other account of human experience-to be either an infallible guide or the exclusive source of truth. Much biblical material is mythical or legendary. Not that it should be discarded for that reason! Rather, it should be treasured for what it is. We believe that we should read the Bible as we read other books (or the newspaper) - with imagination and a critical eye."

The Unitarian Universalist believes that Jesus was only a man, born just like all other men. The Unitarian Universalist website states (uua.org):

"Classically, Unitarian Universalist Christians have understood Jesus as a savior because he was a God-filled human being, not a supernatural being. He was, and still is for many UUs, an exemplar, one who has shown the way of redemptive love, in whose spirit anyone may live generously and abundantly. Among us, Jesus' very human life and teaching have been understood as products of, and in line with, the great Jewish tradition of prophets and teachers. He neither broke with that tradition nor superseded it."

The UUA rejects the Biblical concepts of Heaven and Hell, and in this sense they follow the teachings of the ancient Saducees. Since they reject the teachings of Heaven and Hell, they also reject the idea of salvation

The UUA rejects the idea that God is Triune in Being. They reject the idea that God is One in Three Persons, Father, Son, and Spirit.

Unitarians do not believe in the basic Christian ideas of:
1. Christ is God
2. God is ONE - a Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Now if you as a Unitarian want to believe that, so be it, but if you then want to debate further Christian dogma, it's like someone arguing calculus when they do not agree that 1+1 = 2. Namely, it does not help those talking calculus and the topic goes on a nice merry-go-around.

It's like you or me getting on a thread between Mahayana and Hirayana Buddhism when we don't agree with their fundamental concept of rebirth.

If you as a Unitarian want to argue with us on the nature of the Trinity -- that's fair, just as you / I could argue over whether there is such a thing as rebirth with a Buddhist. But if we try to move further into various Buddhist theology, we are wasting everyone's time.

[Iscool]

The homeless said they always felt love and caring from them and felt the Catholics treated them with respect as if they were part of their family. Thus, once the respect was earned they wanted to hear more about Christ.

If I remember correctly, Jesus said to admonish people twice...After that, kick the dust from your feet and move on...

We plant and water and God finishes up with the increase...It's a spiritual thing...

And the trouble with your lovey-dovey thing is that the homeless didn't so much hear about 'Jesus' Christ...They heard about your church...And they got their earful of Mary and numerous Saints...

Those respondent people got their ears itched...

Her mission was to bring love(what Christ is) to the suffering who have been cast away by others and left to die.

And they still died, and went to Hell...Without hope, without God...

These people got to have a few moments of 'love' just before they go to spend an eternity in fire and brimstone, wailing and gnashing of teeth...

Could be God was hoping that your mother would spread a little truth, such as, "I am the way, the truth...No man comes unto the Father but by me", along with the love she was sharing...

[Cronos]

What brazen
unmitigated
UNBiblical
arrogance!
Displayed by
the
followers of Sister Aimee McPherson
In
The FourSquare Cult
with their brothers
in
The Cult of Machen, the OrthoProsbotarians
?

What an
ABSURD
HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!
&
BRAZENLY
FALSE

ASSERTION!

And since when have The FourSquare Pantecoastal quixotic cult sent out missionaries to MARS now?

Early Neo-Montanist Healing Cults & Sects

Four Early antecedents to the healing revival

1. "Prophet" Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon Church, believed not only that he was a prophet of God but that he had divine healing power and laid hands on many sick people and sent out anointed handkerchiefs to the sick. (1835)
2. John Humphrey Noyes, founder of the Oneida Community prayed for the sick and taught sickness was due to personal sin and the work of demons. He expected supernatural signs and miracles to be exhibited today as they were in the early Apostolic Church.
3. Ellen Gould White, founder of the Seventh Day Adventist sect, was considered a prophet, and she too prayed for the sick, laid hands on them, and taught divine health. (1840's)
4. Aimee Semple McPherson, nationally known healing evangelist in the 1920's - 1930's. Founded and headed the Foursquare Gospel Church, led a controversial life and died of a drug overdose in 1944.
5. Kathryn Kuhlman was ordained a Baptist minister, but did not associate her ministry with any denomination She was heavily influenced by the Azusa street revival, and by the Roman Catholic church. She was well known for the manifestations that occurred at her meetings, including "laughter". She is said to be responsible for the introduction of the manifestation of "Slain in the Spirit". There were some differences to the current movement, though, in that she insisted that her meetings be orderly. Manifestations interrupting the service were not permitted. She was highly regarded in many Christian circles, and strongly influenced Benny Hinn and John Arnott.

All four of these individuals taught the ancient heresy of neo-Montanism.

An example of the pent-e-costal neo-Montanism is William Branham the Father of Neo-Montanism

Even though William Branham denied the Trinity and taught it was a demonic doctrine believed only by those of the whore Babylon false church - he was still revered as a true prophet by almost every major Pentecostal and Charismatic ministry (who are Trinitarian). Even though he believed in numerology and taught that God had made the Great Pyramid - he is still accepted as a true prophet. Even though many of his prophecies regarding future events did not come to pass - he is still regarded as a true prophet. Even though the majority of his teachings are totally in error and diametrically opposed to the plain teaching of Scripture, he is still held up as God's true prophet.

William Branham's heretical theology:

1. God's Word consists of the zodiac, Egyptian pyramids and scripture.
2. Doctrine of trinity is considered demonic
3. The claim that he was Elijah the prophet
4. Millennium to begin in 1977.
5. That he was the seventh angelic messenger to the Laodicean Church Age (Footprints, pg. 620).(Using the dispenational theory that each of the churches in Revelations represents an age of the church, the current one being the Laodicean Church Age).
6. That anyone belonging to any denomination had taken "the mark of the beast" (Footprints, pp. 627, 629, 643, 648).
7. That he received divinely inspired revelations (The Revelation of the Seven Seals, Branham; Spoken Word Publications, Tucson, Ariz., n.d.; pg.19; Questions and Answers, Book 1, Branham; Spoken Word Publications, Tucson, 1964; pg. 60.)
8. The fall of man happened when Eve had sexual relations with Satan, that his sexual union produced Cain.(Branham said that "every sin that ever was on the Earth was caused by a woman....the very lowest creature on the Earth" The Spoken Word, Vol. III Nos. 12, 13, 14;, Branham; Spoken Word Publications, Jeffersonville, Ind. 1976; pp. 81-82. Quoted in The Man and His Message, pg. 41).
9. Branham denied the biblical triune Godhead. He pronounced it a "gross error" (The Spoken Word, pg. 79) and as a prophet with the authority of a "Thus saith the Lord," revealed that "trinitarianism is of the devil" (Footprints, pg. 606).
10. Unsaved descended from the serpent.

[D-fendr]

My views are well known and may be found in many of the multi-thousands of posts I have made. Feel free to look them up.

A long dodge to a simple question that could be answered more quickly than it takes to avoid it.

In the meanwhile please be advised I have "standing" to question any Christian doctrine I wish.

If one does not hold the most basic Christian doctrine, his or her standing to criticize Christians who do is lost.

If, for example, one doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ or that He is the way, truth and the light, then criticism of the beliefs of those who do is a speck and log issue.

I believe that basic fairness requires the critic of other's beliefs to freely state and defend their own.

[Cronos]

One quite incorrect belief in the pantecostal movement as exhibited by the ForeSquare cult is

BELIEF THAT THE GIFT OF TONGUES IS A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION LANGUAGE WITH GOD AND THAT IT IS A SIGN OF SPIRITUALITY OR CONFIRMATION OF THE PERSON BEING A CHRISTIAN. The gift of tongues was the gift to speak a known language for use in transmitting the gospel message to persons who spoke that particular language. In all cases when it was used, it was required that a translator be present and that only one person could use the gift at one time. Tongues were never used in the New Testament as a confirmation to believers, but as a confirmation to unbelievers of the reality of what they were being told. The apostle Paul considered the gift of tongues to be the least of the gifts, but charismatic believers fervently seek after it and place it at the top as the most favored and desirable. By turning the value of the gift upside down, they show that the gift is sought, not because of its spiritual value, but because of its display and exhibitionist qualities, and the subsequent claims to spirituality and prestige that are made when a person demonstrates what is said to be the gift.

[Cronos]

Nice try — as a Unitarian who denies the Trinity, you really expect bkaycee to identify with you?

[Natural Law]

"If a priest or bishop claims to have seen a ufo, is he a crackpot also???"

Seeing an object that you cannot identify is one thing. Concluding with no evidence that it is manned by space aliens is something all together different.

[Cronos]

And you tell us about what you think Protestants believe based on what?

there is no one unifying factor that links various groupings of Protestants like Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, PResbyterians, Arminians, BAptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Westleyans, Amish, Mennonites, Mormons, Pentecostals, New-agers, OPC, Seventh Day Adventists, BPC, Christian Scientists, Branch Davidians, Unitarians etc.

[Cronos]

You must know you are dealing with a gaggle of ignorant non- Christians. Well, as the only Unitarian here, and since Unitarians deny the Trinity, you really don't have anything in common with metmom. Why would you deny the Trinity and the divinity of Christ and then jump on a thread debating the details of Christianity?

[Cronos]

Ha ha — Iscool and RnMomof9 are hardly ex-Catholic, any more than you are the queen of Zululand.

[Iscool]

1. Nihil Obstat and Imprinatur only provide Superficial Local Assurances of not containing obvious heresy.

Doesn't look very local to me...Was approved by a Cardinal...What, every neighborhood got a cardinal???