Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Hey Proddys . . .
it seems increasingly on this thread . . .
that about all the RC’s know how to do any more
IS BEAR FALSE WITNESS
with outrageously brazen falsehoods!
Have they been trying to clean ear to ear with a big white hanky AGAIN?
That HAS to be hard on the old thinker!
You do that. Until then I don't believe you.
Thank you!
I know that you did not participate in the Terresa Pile-On.
I think you may ‘misunderestimate’ the meaning of the false assault.
This really is taking it to a new (and lower) level. Somebody, either with malice or with negligence to the point of demonic imbecility, thoroughly misrepresented her. Others, reading those misrepresentations, took them to be true and casually sentenced her to hell and damnation.
At this point, a post describing Catholics as liars is ludicrous, and verging on self-condemning.
This one has a poor record when it come to veracity. Even if they could produce the claimed cite it would prove nothing except some incompetent censor or one eager to make a buck got the booklet approved to be published.
It is not church doctrine, nothwithstanding the Nihil Obstat, which only provides “Initial Superficial Assurances” to the faithful. Yet this one salivates like the Pavlovian dog claiming to have made a discovery of sorts. Publishers in past times were able to get other such material past the censors.
This one thinking it is revealing only exposes their ignorance of how the the Bride of Christ functions. They better be more informed of how the justice of Jesus works. Oh that’s right the Sin Of Presumption is their Prideful reply now but what will it be at the day of judgment?.
In man's eyes, many people have done wonderful things, among the worlds religions. These things are well and good and are to be encourgaged with the BIG caveat that good works do not achieve salvation.
Certainly Mother T. should be commended for her work. Did her work earn her a place in heaven? Not according to the scriptures. Was she a true believer? I don't know. Can someone believe that Faith and Works merits salvation? Not according to the scripture.
There are two correct things you have said in this post.
“We are not here to judge others.”
and
“I don’t know.”
James 2 14:26 would provide a different opinion on faith and good works than the one you rendered. Scripture is inspired but your interpretation is not.
Jesus saves.
James 2 14:26 would provide a different opinion on faith and good works than the one you rendered. Scripture is inspired but your interpretation is not.
How can you know the interpretation of this verse? Rome has not infallibly defined it.
Offcourse, when read in context, It's meaning is fairly obvious.
Thanks.
I can understand your perspective and your feelings.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND.
1. RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY are partly so intensely emotional because they entail eternal life issues. That’s reasonable.
2. Few biases, if any, are as intensely held as RELIGIOUS biases.
3. We all see through the glass darkly—even when we think we are 100% right. None of us sees the whole from God’s perspective.
4. Hastey responses will likely be grossly flawed—particularly by shallow thinkers and arrogant responders.
5. Even deep thinkers and humble folks can get many things wrong—some seriously—particularly without much prayerful pondering . . . ON BOTH SIDES.
6. Even the most wild-haired irrational responses tend to have, for the posters in their tunnel vision, quasi-logical-to-them progressions that led to such pontifications. . . . ON BOTH SIDES.
7. MOST wild-haired conclusions and convictions have had a grain of truth in their beginnings or somewhere along the way. Usually the grain is quite small but biases inflate many things.
8. Mother T’s assertions late in her life about 40 years of doubts are horrific for someone with her dedication. They are at least sad, regardless of the context. There’s no moderating the starkness of those assertions regardless of the paragraphs or pages they appeared in. I’d love to see the whole context. However, appeals to ‘out of context’ will only go so far toward moderating them. Mostly, they are SO stark that no context will moderate them significantly without getting into double mindedness or double-speak.
9. I think extrapolating even from those stark and alarming confessions regarding her eternal destination are extremely hazardous. We do NOT have GOD’S PERSPECTIVE.
10. I believe even some pagans who SOUGHT THE SUPREME GOD EARNESTLY FROM THEIR HEARTS . . . MAY BE GIVEN A CHANCE BY CHRIST HIMSELF, AT THEIR MOMENT OF DEATH, TO ACCEPT CHRIST’S SALVATION. Scripture says rather broadly that THOSE WHO SEEK GOD *SHALL* FIND HIM. That’s NOT something I’d try and build a doctrine on. It’s just a personal conviction I have.
11. There are some annecdotal LIFE-AFTER-DEATH experiences which affirm that but those are certainly not substantive enough to build any doctrine on.
12. I don’t know why, and I don’t know anyone who does know why, God allows some incredibly dedicated people serving him to their more or less utmost—to go through such horrific desert experiences—with SEEMINGLY little to no relief. I know from personal experience it can happen and be extremely traumatizing, bewildering etc.
13. Certainly most of the time, we don’t hear God’s voice because we have failed to do the last thing He told us to do. But I don’t think that’s a hard fast rule we can project onto others’ situations. God does HIS OWN THING with each of us.
14. IF Mother T began to worship her ministry instead of her God, that would have been a hazard. Works in and of themselves don’t save.
15. I expect to see her in Heaven. I don’t think it’s guaranteed because we do not know her heart. FROM (virtually) ALL THE EVIDENCE, it APPEARS that her heart was toward God. Yet, if she felt abandoned by God for decades, after all she’d sacrificed, who knows what bitterness and unforgiveness may have crept in toward God Himself.
16. I do believe our God who has decreed that HIS MERCY will triumph over His judgment has been most merciful and gracious toward Mother T regardless of her human failings etc.
17. NEVERTHELESS, IT IS QUITE PLAUSIBLE, as some evidently have pontificated, to logically build a case built on her expressed doubts . . . that her eternal life was at risk. I don’t buy it from what little cursory bit I’ve considered—but it’s PLAUSIBLE. Asserting such is part of what our freedoms are about.
18. Proddys don’t have to be malicious, demonized, liars to assert such things. We can derive them in logical steps out of good hearts and goals. This should not be such a shock to RC’s. Many make much FAR MORE outrageous claims derived from much less evidence.
19. Your faith ought not be in man. Not only is the flesh weak, it is polluted until our own Resurrections. That’s true for all of us. And to some degree, the more intensely we are committed to God, the more apt we are to be quick on the draw to shoot down those who are perceived to be less so and in opposition to all we hold dear in such matters.
20. Christ was never disillusioned by man. He did not trust His heart nor Himself to man. Yet, He also did not wall Himself off in coldness, resentment, bitterness, self-protective hardness etc. He remained touched with the feelings of our infirmaties. He forgave His crucifiers in the midst of the worst of His pain and suffering.
21. Mother T may have become an icon to RC’s and even the world. That does NOT make her a Jr god in God’s eyes AT ALL. My perception of her is that she didn’t think much of those who idolized her. She wanted to see them emptying bedpans and washing the lepers.
22. There’s nothing to defend re Mother T. She either crashed and burned miserably regarding her faith the last 40 years . . . or she didn’t. IF SHE DID OR DIDN’T, GOD MAY STILL HAVE GIVEN HER A REDEMPTIVE OUT, REGARDLESS, IN HIS MEETING HER AT HER POINT OF DEATH. It’s not per se ours to know, at this point.
23. It is ours to do what we can to avoid a similar crisis of faith; flood of numbing doubts.
24. I’ve read a number of troubling things about her over the years. God alone knows the truth.
25. LIFE IS EXCEEDINGLY COMPLEX—JUST THE LIFE BETWEEN OUR OWN EARS, BEHIND OUR OWN EYES, WHAT WE SEE, TOUCH, TASTE, HEAR. Making rational sense out of it is increasingly a hazardous and challenging task in this era . . . regardless of whether we are RC’s, Proddys or pagans. Humility for the challenges others—maybe with less skills, mental horspowers or objectivity than we have . . . humility is in order.
26. Sure, we can rant and pontificate about the things we see as eternally important, if not crucial . . . ascribing demonized motives when each of us sees so little about even ourselves—much less about others—is hazardous.
27. If there’s great persistent evidence, and it’s redemptive to assert so—OK. But do it tentatively. We really do see such a small percentage of the whole internal and external realities. Making emphatic all inclusive GOD-LIKE pronouncements about another’s state of demonization is just a sizable risk. Ditto about their intent to lie etc.
28. Sure, out of the abundance of the heart the fingers fly. Still, extrapolations are only extrapolations.
BESIDES ALL THAT, I LOVE YOU DEARLY.
Very well, accurately AND BIBLICALLY put.
Thx.
WRONG AGAIN!
SUCH FAITHFULNESS IN BEING WRONG
IS CURIOUS.
You’re improving with age.
Good post.
I hope others will see it that way as well.
James 2 14:26 would provide a different opinion on faith and good works than the one you rendered. Scripture is inspired but your interpretation is not.Jesus saves.
Then should'nt your last line then read.
Jesus and works save.
In the past much exposure was afforded this verse and Luther’s actions. In recent years Lutheran and Catholic scholars have reconciled historical differences of interpretation surrounding this issue to the extent it no longer appears to be an area of contention for these two groups. Read the summery of their conferences to glean the essence of their unified belief.
God bless
No because ir appears the measure of your understanding of the Catholic interpretation of “Jesus Saves” has been founding wanting. This interpretation has been provided ad nasueum in these theads so perhaps it may be well advised to review past discussions.
Jesus saves all sinners who repent.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
PRAISE GOD.
THANKS for your kind words.
Prayers for your food allergies etc.
I can't tell which is more personally offensive; the content of their posts or the expectation that each successive posting be received with alacrity and credulity.
Each new posting is received in context with every previous posting, there are no "do-overs", or "let's pretend that you don't know me's" granted. Each own his own posting history and colors others perceptions of him. Strangers to the truth are expected to remain so. Those who have lied are expected to lie again, those who err are expected to err again.
There is only one reset button that begins with; "O, my God I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee....."
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