Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
lol. Thanks again. You prove my point. Blood lust and tyranny.
Laugh all you want. That was a quote from John Calvin, so I guess that proves the point that he was all about blood lust and tyranny.
lol. Thanks again. You prove my point. Blood lust and tyranny.
Laugh all you want. That was a quote from John Calvin, so I guess that proves the point that he was all about blood lust and tyranny.
The “Controlled Media” like the NYT, WA Po et al is fiercely anti-catholic and if your contention were true the story would have been afforded wide dissemination. Wickipedia is not a cornerstone of accuracy.
“Rome Breeds Blood Lust “ is your quote. This sentiment explicitly and incisively demonstrates the apparent christian spirit held by your ilk. I will be utilizing this and other quotes from your associates in my teaching of Christian apologists. Many in these classes l conduct have had their eyes opened with rants such as these, believing such ideas were no longer harbored by Americans. I am sure your commentary will spark many enlightening discussions in these class sessions of protestants considering Catholicism
You would be well advised to ponder Mt 5 43:48 and Romans 12: 14 in which we are instructed to Love and Pray and Bless those who persecute us in the Jesus Name
God bless you
I should have pinged you to #1361.
Servetus was convicted of heresy and sentenced to death by the authorities at Rome. In my opinion this, in no way, excuses the authorities at Geneva. However, they had not yet distanced themselves from Rome.
Did Calvin Have Servetus Burned At The Stake?
There is one event which stands out in our minds concerning Calvin's leadership in the Genevan church, however, which deserves closer consideration: On October25, 1553, the city council issued the decree that Michael Servetus be burned at the stake for heresy.
Did Calvin "have Servetus burned at the stake," as is the popular impression? The answer, clearly, is no! First, Calvin had corresponded with Servetus and there is some evidence to suggest that he had even tried to clandestinely meet with the anti-Trinitarian in order to try to convince him of his error. After escaping certain execution from Roman Catholic authorities in France and Vienna, Servetus arrived in Geneva and made himself known to Calvin in public. Servetus was arrested and, although Calvin was both a theologian and trained lawyer who had been employed by the city council to draft legislation concerning social welfare, city planning, sanitation, and the like, he was not the prosecuting attorney. Remember, he did not even have the rights of a common citizen!
Second, Calvin was at the height of his battles with the city council at this time. Had he, in fact, urged the execution of Servetus, that might have been just the thing to have saved the victim's life! When Servetus was given the option of facing trial in Vienna or Geneva, Servetus chose Geneva. For some reason, he must have thought his chances of survival were better in Geneva. However, the council, led by the anti-Calvin faction at this time, was determined to demonstrate that Geneva could be trusted as a reformed city committed to upholding the creeds and Servetus was sentenced to death by burning. Calvin pleaded with the council to execute Servetus in a more humane manner than the traditional ritual burning for heretics. But, of course, the city council refused Calvin's plea. Farel visited Calvin during the execution and was, reportedly, so disturbed that he left without even saying farewell.
During this same period, by the way, thirty-nine heretics were burned in Paris, the Inquisition was being enforced in Spain and Italy, and other parts of Europe. In spite of the fact that many sought refuge in Geneva who were less than orthodox, fleeing Catholic authorities, Servetus was the only heretic burned there during Calvin's distinguished career.
Did Calvin Have Servetus Burned At The Stake?
Who cares about Rome? What about the Vatican? They were still in communion with them?
Ireland is indeed an island, but only a small percentage of the population was within walking distance of the coast. It is more than 250 miles from Dingle to Derry and a hundred or more miles wide. Pretty extreme distances for a pedestrian population with no network of Roman roads and certainly no refrigeration to preserve the fish.
Further, most fish are in deep water, too far from the shore to be reached in the small hide covered boats available to the poor. People further inland lacked the money to purchase fish or any other food even if it had been available.
River and lake fishing and fowling was not an option either. The (Protestant) land owners owned the fish and game. They had enacted severe anti poaching laws and executions, beatings and imprisonment were not uncommon for offenders.
I saw what you were doing and it was tempting to "step" on your punch line. Nicely played!
Inquiring minds want to know
;-)
"Precedent set by RCC" is irrelevant since the atrocity occurred in Ireland and the RCC was never in power in Ireland from 1690 to the famine . Thus you have no historical basis to allege this hypothetical allegation about the RCC in Ireland. The allegation is both flawed and mindless.
You would be well advised to ponder Mt 5 44:48 and Romans 12: 14. God Bless.
I respect the work of Mother Teresa and believe she deserves the accolades of men ... she cared for the dying, but not their eternity MD.. She sent them off to their gods, that can not save
"I love all religions. ... If people become better Hindus, better Muslims, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there."
She said this 'there are many ways to God': "All is God--Buddists, Hindus, Christians, etc., all have access to the same God."
No there is only one that saves..and He is a jealous God not willing to share His glory with anyone
And while Calvin may have been bad, I bet he would have been killed in India, and at least he never viciously gathered the sick and dying from the streets and inflicted care on them. He was REAL Christian, none of this namby pamby, can't we all just get along, kumbaya ministry to the outcast stuff. What the heck kind of Christianity is THAT?
I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed on him; but I desired that the severity of the punishment be mitigated. "Calvin to William Farel, August 20, 1553, Bonnet, Jules (1820–1892) Letters of John Calvin, Carlisle, Penn: Banner of Truth Trust, 1980, pp. 158–159. ISBN 0-85151-323-9." Wikipedia entry on Michael Servetus
BRING OUT... THE COMFY CHAIR!
So it was "kill him, but do it gently"? Oh, well that's alright then, that changes everything.
Sometimes I wonder if Catholics are the only ones who believe Matthew 25:
Oh well, off to bed.
Some years ago when I moved into a much smaller place I gave many of my books to people who would enjoy them. Do that with your phone.
Bear in mind, I'm an old fogey and love my books while I merely toleratemy cell phone. BTW, don't try to sell me on Kindle either. :)
Muslims deny that Christ is the Son of God come in the flesh, the major tenet of Christianity.
Matthew 15
15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
16 11 Simon Peter said in reply, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood 12 has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
To deny that Christ is Who He said He is is to have the spirit of anti-Christ. If Catholics wish to assert that they worship the "same god" as Islam, then they have a major problem. Islam rejects Christ other than as a man and a lesser prophet to Mohammed
During this same period, by the way, thirty-nine heretics were burned in Paris, the Inquisition was being enforced in Spain and Italy, and other parts of Europe. In spite of the fact that many sought refuge in Geneva who were less than orthodox, fleeing Catholic authorities, Servetus was the only heretic burned there during Calvin's distinguished career.
Indeed. Geneva was a haven for religious refugees. Calvin was the champion for the middle class. Just as the 17th century elites worked to destroy the merchant class, so, too, does today's elitist pseudo-intelligentsia hope to obliterate the hard-working, Judeo-Christian middle class.
Awww that isn't nice
"Under the Orissa law and a similar law passed in Madhya Pradesh, missionaries are clearly under an obligation to inform the authorities of their conversion efforts. Incidentally, these laws were upheld by a five-judge Constitution Bench of the Supreme Court in the Rev Stanilaus vs State of Madhya Pradesh (AIR 1977 SC 908). The law makes it mandatory for the concerned religious priest to give a 15-day notice for the "ceremony of conversion" and intimate the time and place along with the names and addresses of those intended to be converted. Far from Prying Eyes
Christian missionary efforts at conversion under the guise of social work do not take place in places, say, like the Brahmin-dominated ward of Mylapore in Chennai. They are conducted in poor, illiterate and innocent tribal areas and in remote jungles far from the prying eyes of authority. Now a reaction seems to have set in. Writing in The Statesman (March 12, 1999), Mr B P Saha made the point that "growing enlightenment has been provoking them (tribals) to dislike conversion and look askance at the foreign missionaries, the so-called benefactors".
Attempts at conversion should be considered a mortal assault on local cultures and should be totally banned. Conversions are forbidden by law in China. Here we take a lenient view of conversion and Christian bodies have been taking advantage of the Hindu sense of tolerance. According to Mr Jon Stock, New Delhi correspondent of the British paper The Daily Telegraph, "put simply, the Indian subcontinent has become the principal target for a wide range of western Christian missions which are determined to spread the gospel to India's 'unreached' people before the year 2000".
http://appiusforum.net/kamath_challenge.html
I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
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