Arrogance, stupidity and ignorance is a sad combination.
And, of course, a non-Christian, who does not believe in the Trinity and Christ's divinity, debating with Christians on minutae of Christian dogma is arrogant, stupid and ignorant.
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
India has had a vibrant Catholic community for nearly 2,000 years since the arrival of the apostle Thomas. There are many in India who believe that Jesus actually traveled in India during his "lost years". Today Christianity is the 3rd largest religion in India with over 25 million, 20 million of whom are Catholic.
Catholics hold many high offices in India today including Sonia Gandhi Current President of the Indian National Congress Party and chairperson of the ruling United Progressive Alliance. She was named the third most powerful woman in the world by Forbes magazine in the year 2004. Margaret Alva Governor of Indian state of Uttarakhand from July 2009. George Fernandes Founder member of the Janata Dal (United) party and defence minister in the National Democratic Alliance (India) Government. Ambika Soni Current minister of information and broadcasting. She also served as the minister of tourism and minister of culture from 2006 to 2009. Ajit Jogi First Chief Minister of the state of Chhattisgarh, Oscar Fernandes Minister of state of the Ministry of Labour and Employment, Y. S. Rajasekhara Reddy Chief Minister of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, P. A. Sangma Former Speaker of Lok Sabha and Chief Minister of Meghalaya, Agatha Sangma The youngest Minister of State in the current Cabinet and Sunith Francis Rodrigues Chief of Army Staff of the Indian Army from 1990 to 1993 and the current Governor of the Indian State of Punjab.
Yes, some of us still actually shell out a few bucks for a book.
You should try it sometime.
Maybe that "no hard copy" attitude helps to explain the dismal state of our education system today.
I use the internet frequently and find it an outstanding facility for information and research. No book can do for you what can be done in seconds on the internet.
On the other hand a good book, paperback or hard cover, is still a joy which cannot be duplicated with any computer.
I have never had a battery go dead on a book.
I have never had my book "die" while using it.
The internet never "goes down" on a book.
My book has never "crashed".
I can take my book with me wherever I go.
The availibility of the Internet is not a concern with a book.
The last time I highlighted a passage on my computer I had a devil of a time cleaning it off. Further, it didn't stay with the passage I had highlighted. :)
Etc. etc. etc.
Yes, I greatly appreciate my computer and the internet and I love my books.
The same absence of men in positions of power for the most part is also true for the Orthodox Church, Orthodox Jews, and Islam. So what is left are the protestants, CINOs, and secular humanistic agnostics/atheists. These latter inclusive groups, all about diversity, are now running the country under Obama and Nancy the apostate . Chose wisely.
Believe in the saving graces of Jesus not in mortal man.
Actually, I know more of what the Roman Catholic Church believes and teaches than the vast majority of "Catholics" in the world.
Yes, I greatly appreciate my computer and the internet and I love my books.
Exactly!
Most important for me is that the internet can be "modified" to suit whatever agenda is being pushed.
No so with a book. The printed page does not change. The truth of the printed page remains for as long as that book remains.
Which all helps to explain why Protestants love the singular truth and unchanging clarity of the Scriptures, while Roman Catholics seem to prefer the variable and ephemeral declarations of fallible old men in long robes, fish hats and Prada shoes.
mullahs
muleahs
I was like that until about... I guess 3 years ago or so. Now I just look at these enormous stacks and shelves and wish I could carry them around in my pocket, or look at them and say "which one of you has the following passage in it" and have the correct book jump out and flip open to the page I'm looking for.
I've been using my phone almost exclusively for reading during the last year, I thought I'd hate it. I think I've read close to 100 books this year on the phone. I can tap a word and pull up a definition, search the rest of the book, copy a passage to email... so far I have yet to want a feature that isn't already available.
One stand alone app I have (iPieta) has the entire liturgical calendar, Mass readings, Bible, commentary including the Catena Aurea, several catechisms, the ecumenical councils, the summa, papal encyclicals through BXVI, the ante-nicene and nicene fathers, just about every devotion known to the Latin church (many with audio)... it's several shelves worth of books, all searchable and organized.
I can take more than one book with me without hiring bearers. :)
I can highlight a passage and include a note as to why and then search highlighted passages.
I never thought I'd make the transition but I have. I think it has to do with the other ways my phone has changed the way I do things, first it was carrying my music, then my photos, now my books, the occasional tv show or movie... I'm gonna need a 64gig phone next time. :)
What about it?
Would Catholics have done any differently in those days had the shoe been on the other foot?
Precedent set by RCC history does not suggest so.
lol. Eerily similar.
And that explains why Rome bends over backwards accommodating and encouraging the muzzies, and why its catechism says all muslims are saved because according to Rome (((gasp))) muslims and Christians pray to the same God.
Come to think of it, maybe muslims and Roman Catholics do pray to the same god.
As it happens however, my best friend is a priest in his early 30s and he’s one of those “gotta have it on paper” loons too. I’m a decade older (and apparently WISER) and use iPieta on my iphone IN CHURCH and divinumofficium.com on the Wii for the family to say Compline every night. So while I believe people exist who are unduly attached to dead trees I really have trouble believing anyone would spend actual money on something they didn’t hold in high regard when an online version was readily available.
Just... wow....
I can still read when the electricity goes out.
Thank God for technology independent resources.
What a cop out.
Sure it is. It's your choice whether to believe her or not. Nobody is forcing you to not believe her.
Take some responsibility for your actions for a change.
I don't believe you.
Muslims disagree.
However, since the Catholic church claims that they worship the same god as the muslims, who are we to argue?
They would know, wouldn’t they?
It is not my burden to rehabilitate anyone's veracity nor my obligation to grant anyone the benefit of the doubt. There are some that post here that have posted falsehoods so frequently that I begin with a position of disbelief and see where the supporting evidence takes me. Some never fail to disappoint.
lol. Thanks again. You prove my point.
Blood lust and tyranny.
Ireland is an island. The Irish didn't have to go hungry. They could always fish.
Yeah... I think I just figured out why some people might not believe that other people bought something.
Ireland was the breadbasket of the British Islands and was a net exporter of food to England even during the famine years, if the food that was grown in Ireland during the famine had stayed in Ireland the people would not have starved in the hundreds of thousands. The reason the potato blight was a problem is that was all the people could grow in the poor soil they were allowed to farm for personal use.
Suggesting that they could have fished makes "let them eat cake" sound positively lovely.
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