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To: Salvation; markomalley
Can one of you explain to me why this is opposed by lefty Catholics and a lot of religious?

I mean, a translation of "et cum spiritu tuo" as "and also with you", or "Credo" as "we believe" isn't really a translation at all, is it?

10 posted on 08/22/2010 4:55:55 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: Jim Noble
Can one of you explain to me why this is opposed by lefty Catholics and a lot of religious?

I would encourage you to watch the Michael Voris video, Weapons of MASS Destruction. After that, I would also encourage you to read Pius X's encyclical, Pascendi, written back in 1907.

I am not certain that I buy a lot of the conspiratorial stuff that Voris has in his video, but the "Protestantation" of the Mass is very, very apparent. The soon-to-be-retired translation makes it far worse. Essentially changing the character of the Mass as a divine worship that is a figure of the divine worship currently going on in Heaven to a communal dinner.

I mean, look at the totally illicit acclamation: Christ has died, Christ has Risen, Christ will come again. Yes, that is a true statement...but its inclusion during the Eucharistic prayer has utterly nothing to do with the purpose of that Eucharistic prayer. (A re-presentation of the sacrifice at Calvary and offering the Sacred Body and Blood of Christ, a/k/a the Victim, as an oblation for the sins of the word)

They have managed to slide their modernist theology even more into the soon-to-be-retired mistranslation (even more than it is in the Novus Ordo mass in of itself). With a return to a more faithful translation from the Latin, some of the cards get knocked out. And a house of cards is very, very difficult to keep standing...particularly if one of the cards at the base is removed.

Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.

12 posted on 08/22/2010 5:24:02 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Jim Noble

You are so right that those are rotten translations. Two, only two, of the reasons it’s all being changed. Be happy!


20 posted on 08/22/2010 6:55:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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