Posted on 08/19/2010 5:55:44 PM PDT by Gamecock
Plus, you’re a muslim.
I wonder if his sister is still Catholic. James White’s sister became Catholic - a miracle when you think of the family she grew up in.
Ping.
Be prepared for all of the Scripture cited above to be waved off by FRoman Catholics.
Not so... Catholics don't worship bread and wine. They/we worship the true presence of Christ. Jesus himself didn't tell his disciples that the body and bread are representive of him, but that through consecration/grace it becomes the true presence of Christ.
I don't mind people who are non-Catholic not accepting that, but lets not miss what Catholics believe.
Interestingly this so called ‘cult’ has far more adherents than any other religious affiliation represented here on FR.
Excellent article and I agree totally.
Pretty shallow and childish reasoning.
Sophistry
Personally I’m mostly curious about who is so intent on sparking fighting between Catholics and Protestants over the last few years.
I'd like to step back from the Mary situation. A very long time ago I viewed the veneration of Mary as very akin to idolotry and then one day a friend of mine came to me at lunch and said "did you notice Mary is prophesied in the Bible?" And then we discussed that profound observation since remarkably few people are prophesied ~ John the Baptist, Jesus, Mary, and the far future, a variety of personalities.
Some years later along the path to the present I became educated in the broad outlines of the more formal elements of Hinduism. Lo and behold, they claim several visits from a very special Messiah ~ and every time he is sent, there's a feminine form that tags along taking her proper position as his bodyguard or his servant.
When you watch something like the Mahabarat you have to keep your eyes on that ~ Hindus know all about it so they kind of gloss over it.
Anyway, I won't pursue that anymore since the Hindus are going through a period of profound polytheism and are standing at the edge of a great abyss where they are going to need to rework morality and religion. In the broader sense they have nothing to teach Christianity, but in the very narrow sense of the Nature of Messiahs, and the place of the Female persona in religion, they ~ or rather God ~ hit it on the head.
She was prophesied in the very same prophesies as Jesus.
It is wrong to ignore the fact that she is very special. Certainly I'm not going to walk away and ignore her, yet there's got to be something short of worship of a her as a Fourth Person that is satisfactory,
Neither Protestants nor Catholics have, in my estimation, found a way to deal with God's feminine side ~
From www.catholic.org:
Catholic Belief
I.To gain the happiness of heaven we must know, love, and serve God in this world. Man must know, love and serve God in a supernatural manner in order to gain happiness of heaven. Man is raised to the supernatural order only by grace, a free gift of God.
II.We learn to know, love, and serve God from Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who teaches us through the Catholic Church.
III.In order to be saved, all persons who have attained the use of reason must believe explicitly that God exist and that he rewards the good and punishes the wicked; in practice they must also believe in the mysteries of the Blessed Trinity and the Incarnation.
IV.By the Blessed Trinity we mean one and the same God in three divine persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
V.By the Incarnation is meant that the Son of God, retaining His divine nature, took to Himself a human nature, that is, a body and soul like ours.
VI.The Church is the congregation of all baptized persons united in the same true faith, the same sacrifice, and the same sacraments, under the authority of the Sovereign Pontiff and the bishops in communion with him.
VII.We find the chief truths taught by Jesus Christ through the Catholic Church in the Apostles’ Creed.
The Commandments
Besides believing what God has revealed, we must keep His law.
The Two Great Commandments
that contain the whole law of God are:
You shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart, and with your whole soul, and with your whole mind, and with your whole strength; you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
To love God, our neighbor, and ourselves, we must keep the commandments of God and of the Church, and perform the spiritual and corporal works of mercy.
The Ten Commandments of God
I.I am the Lord your God; you shall not have strange gods before me.
II.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
III.Remember to keep holy the Lord’s day
IV.Honor your father and your mother.
V.You shall not kill.
VI.You shall not commit adultery.
VII.You shall not steal.
VIII.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
IX.You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
X.You shall not covet you neighbor’s goods.
The Chief Commandments or Laws, of the Church
I.To assist at Mass on all Sundays and holy days of obligation.
II.To fast and abstain on the days appointed.
III.To confess our sins at least once a year.
IV.To receive Holy Communion during the Easter time.
V.To contribute to the support of the Church.
VI.To observe the laws of the Church concerning marriage.
“The Eucharist is a fancy form of idolatry. The Eucharist isnt merely a symbol of the body and blood of Christ; in Romanism, it becomes the body and blood of Christ, and therefore an object to be worshiped. Worshiping bread and wine is idolatry, regardless of what it symbolizes.”
Idolatry? Sorry, Gamecock, but Jesus could not have been more clear when he explained that his flesh was REAL FOOD and his blood was REAL DRINK. Had he wanted to communicate that the bread and wine was a “symbol”, he had ample opportunity to do so, but yet he does not:
“’Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.’
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’ So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.’
John 6:47-58
It’s interesting that many have left the Catholic Church over the years because of this teaching, just as they did in the New Testament (John 6:66). But thankfully, the Catholic Church has held firm to the Truth from her beginning to the present time. May God bless you and help you to understand the Truth.
I’ll say a Rosary for this misguided freak.
Christians and atheists are both dead sure about their respective viewpoints. Adherents of different denominations of Christianity are willing to sacrifice their lives to defend their points of view. Either only one of them are correct or none of them are correct...
I don't have the answer, that's why I am agnostic, I am always searching for truth.
Agnostic, strictly defined, is "one who doesn't know", and with regard to the existence and definition of a supreme being, I just don't know.
Yeah; doesn’t the author know that the church leaders waited until 325 AD to convene the Council of Nicaea, so the early Catholic leaders could get their stories straight, choose their authoring apostles, confirm a book they called the Bible, choose their demons and map out a plan to proselytize the world. All for the glory of God, of course!
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